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Don’t call me overdramatic. Holocaust 2.0 is coming.
Coming to Amerikkka after beta testing in Gaza.
However, we found no evidence confirming that the phrase originated verbatim in Nazi Germany, as social media posts suggested. The origin of the phrase was unclear, but it did not appear to have been used by the Trump administration or other presidential administrations before appearing on the lectern. Online searches for the origin of the phrase returned only results for more social media posts claiming it had roots in the Nazi regime, without providing further evidence. Searches of newspaper archives also found no instances of the Trump administration or other governments using the specific phrase.
Mindlessly spreading without fact-checking, bad look.
All the shit they say about their opponents, and I’m supposed to be concerned about the accuracy of a them making a perfectly plausible statement?
I don’t fucking care, spread the story.
If it looks and acts like a duck it’s a duck. Nazi getting called out for being a nazi and you’re worried about the origin of the phrase.
Sigh. I miss when Rage Against The Machine wasn’t political.
What are you going to tell me next, that Tom Morello has a degree in political science? He should just stick to playing the guitar.
I understood that reference. Still cracks me up. What machine did he think they were raging against?
The… um… the… printer… that ran out of ink? Maybe the microwave that made the plate hot, but the food is still cold?
It’s that home office printer, am I right?
Fuck you, I won’t fill your cyan cartridge.
Rally round the paper feed. With a pocket full of clips. Ugh.
Actually, valid and more accurate to my currently greatest source of rage against (technical) machines you could know. Of all the projects I have to deal with at the moment, the one related to printers is my greatest frustration. Fuck printers, fuck printer software, fuck people using printers and fuck antiquated bureaucracy requiring so much physical paperwork still.
Hey, people are investing a lot of time to make sure CUPS works to some degree for at least some of the printers out there.
The fax machine.
Found Paul Ryan’s lurk account
It’s not and it’s a matter of time before either the second civil war or third world war happens.
All of yours first, then.
Not one person left MAGA. Half the country are just that deplorable
Being a leftist is fun because the fascists have threatened to purge entire communities in response to violence against ICE and we’re arguing about the historicity of the quote and whether displaying a phrase on a podium is technically a quote or not.
Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that’s what I now I had to do.
But then I see that it isn’t true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn’t be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?
I don’t understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that’s not debatable, that’s just the way it is.
My conspiracy theory is that on most big social media, these kinds of debates are mostly conducted by bots to manufacture consent, and that we get people here who just repeat the takes from the bots they’ve seen that have the most likes because they’re hoping they get that many likes too.
this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it’s mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don’t think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever
What violence against ICE?
The Trump administration has classified things like recording ICE on your phone as violence, and is using that to claim that violence against ICE is is up 400 bajillion percent.
Doesn’t matter about reality, they can respond to any thing they say, made up or not.
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good’s driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It’s kinda depressing honestly.
Attacking how communication is done instead of what’s being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they’ve let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
That’s a false dichotomy: it’s possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.
Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.
It’s fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you’re making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn’t be an issue.
Just in case anyone is not aware: This slogan is referring to collective punishment, which is a war crime. She is advocating for war crimes, shamelessly, in front of the populace.
Someone shoot that bitch. And tRump and the rest of the cunts around him.
Don’t ask for her to be shot. That’s unclassy and rude. Politely ask someone to Kirk her.
Get kirked
🫢why did I read that in the voice of Rick?!
“Get kiiirkt! Motherfucker! 🖕🏻🖕🏻 season 8! Rick and Morty!..” Etc.
And her husband (if there is someone that can stand her) can then start fucking someone else from the administration. So it is complete Kirking. Maybe Vance would be up for it? He seems to not care, as long as it’s white.
War crimes against the people in her own country
War crimes only apply to war. For example, the use of chemical weapons is a war crime, but their use against your own population is apparently fine and dandy.
True, but I think that the point stands. Advocating for something that is a war crime, even while not at war, should be treated very seriously.
Of course it should be treated very seriously. It won’t, but it should. The government threatening the people is literally what the 2nd amendment is about.
Fine and dandy
crimes against humanitySparkling crimes
Many things which would be war crimes if carried out by soldiers are legal if done by law enforcement against the people they’re supposed to defend
Then they are crimes against humanity
Yeah, looks like I didn’t fully finish the thought in my head 😅 The seriousness of this situation cannot be overstated. It goes without saying that since taking office, the regime started their campaign of terror without hesitation, and have stepped it up by the day.
I want to clarify something that others aren’t. Yes, things that would be war crimes aren’t if not used in war, but this doesn’t give a reason. A lot of them are to prevent mistakes in war, not because it’s evil. For example, you aren’t allowes to use chemicals that are often used on civilians, but it isn’t because they’re particularly harmful. It’s because you don’t know what they are until latter, so if you see it you may respond with your own chemical weapons, which may be harmful. This is just one example, but a lot of the time “war crimes” are there to prevent escalation, not because of how harmful they are. (Obviously some are because of the harm though.)
I tried to find a definition that would explain that and failed. Can you provide some source for that claim? What you refer to does seem to be a violation of warfare laws but not war crime, which is a violation of humanitarian law
holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium
And how would they react if protestors for Renee Good waved that slogan on a sign about ICE?
To what was this a response? That people want to bring the Minnesota murderer to court?
That is the confusing thing, no one killed one of theirs. The most pain I’ve seen any of them in is when they’re unprepared for the MN winter.
I just saw a podcast/yt vid today that had a segment on stats for how dangerous it’s been for ICE since it was established. No ICE members have ever been killed or injured by immigrants.
Leading cause of death is covid-19 (perhaps unsurprising, considering all the antivax idiots who must overlap heavily), followed by cancer from 9/11. One guy died from accidentally shooting himself in the leg. The only case that even involved an immigrant is when an ICE guy died after chasing someone and had a heart attack.
https://youtu.be/NlM_H9rbwrI?t=2196
(timestamp aroud 36:30 if the link doesn’t work)They assume to be the victim at every turn, it’s how they justify breaking the law and brutalizing/killing us.
Must be in response to everyone laughing at the ICE agent slipping on some, ice.
They’re laying the groundwork for when one of their untrained cowboys is killed by a civilian protecting themselves to justify their overblown response. Or to instill fear so it doesn’t happen.
Yep. Force neighborhoods to suppress themselves.
Then we need to find and eliminate him instead
Yep.
Y’all remember when Trump supporters danced to Rage Against the Machine? https://youtu.be/ddrFt1BHkUQ
Of course they did, they’re all dumb
Most Americans are seriously dumb. The illiteracy level is insane for a western developed country, especially the riches country in the world. It could ensure all its citizens are well educated but we’ll educated citizens won’t vote for fascists, they won’t listen to the transparent bullshit lies of fox news and co, they won’t vote Republican because fuuuuck that shit.
Republicans have worked pretty much since WWII, especially starting with Reagan, to ensure the US citizens are as dumb as possible, it keeps them in power.
So Magas dancing to killing in the name of is pretty normal for them, as they have no idea what they’re doing, no idea what the song is about, no idea what RATM is about.
I’d feel sad for them if they weren’t so dangerous to themselves, to everyone in the US, and everyone in the world. I honestly have no idea how to solve this part, after trump and Maga is gone. How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
You educate their kids and wait for them to die, unfortunately. I mean in essence, the PC movement as a whole has worked for the most part, it’s a slow gradual grind over many years, decades for some, tirelessly continuing to etch away at their bigotry.
But in short, to truly get rid of it, you wait for them to die.
Easier than you think. Just thrive. Be an example.
Oh. There’s a difficult bit as well… You have to get rid of any sociopaths that start talking to them or it’ll all happen again.
Do none of you know what this is referring to? Okay, class time. Gather round, because I’m going to give you all a quick history lesson.
Oh, and you should check this out on the side. It will help with the learning.
I don’t know about whether there’s a connection between that slogan and the nazis, but the incident the slogan is allegedly coined from is definitely real.
The SS officer who was killed is Reinhard Heydrich, a SS officer who was high enough to be part of Hitler’s inner circle. Heydrich is understood to be one of the principal architects of the Holocaust.
The village who had its male population (except for the children) wiped out as revenge for Heydrich’s death is Lidice, in the modern Czech Republic.
By the way, you all should watch the movie Anthropoid. It goes over a dramatized version of the events.
And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior
Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls
So many people in this post complaining that its misinformation because its not actually a quote because it wasnt spoken aloud or it doesnt actually come from the nazis. However. The Trump admin DID display this information WITH the intent to threaten the lives of all dissidents and almost certainly with the belief themselves that it comes from nazis, as they wholeheartedly stand on the side of nazis. This isnt misinformation, no matter how picky you want to be, and it is VERY relevant and important to share.
“This post which makes untrue claims isn’t misinformation because it’s heart is in the right place”
Behold: how conservatives became blindly accepting of any information as long as it fits their views
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
I’m inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn’t lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously
Verified by whom?
Reddit as a whole is a consent manufacturing machine. These “verified” crap shoots, where every one of the “discussions” align with the confirmation bias of the people manufactured by people who want to curate the narrative doesn’t have any credibility beyond people who are gullible or benefit from these narratives.
But you do you.
Verified by providing well sourced and reasoned answers. There are PhD contributors but mostly it’s down to providing consistently providing context to an answer and not going off on some fringe tangent. It’s easily the most heavily moderated subreddit.
“Why on reddit” comes up often and the answer has consistently (historically anyway) been that there isn’t really a better long-form public outreach platform at the moment. Blogs are close don’t have the same opportunity for followup questions and definitely don’t have the same “drive-by” effect of just seeing it on the front page.
Literally have watched the typically accepted propaganda get removed quickly on that sub. Also had several conversations with mods when I was on there. Levelheaded and quite serious about their work. Literally the only sub that seemed to maintain ethics and consistency.
That being said, I’ve not been on there in a couple of years.
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn’t find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it’s not some dog whistle, it’s blatantly obvious what they’re saying. Don’t let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just “in the spirit” of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn’t a Nazi slogan and never was.
You didn’t read it.
One thing is clear: the phrase carries power, but its classification as a historic Nazi slogan is not supported by primary historical evidence.
It’s what they did
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
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Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo… Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
Hey, thanks for the information!
Pleas guys, learn from the Brigate Rosse. Put him in a f*cking trunk (use a chrysler pt cruiser for the occasion please) and goodnight.
We need socialism
