• CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Being a leftist is fun because the fascists have threatened to purge entire communities in response to violence against ICE and we’re arguing about the historicity of the quote and whether displaying a phrase on a podium is technically a quote or not.

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      5 hours ago

      Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that’s what I now I had to do.

      But then I see that it isn’t true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn’t be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?

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      I don’t understand why people would even be debating that.

      if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that’s not debatable, that’s just the way it is.

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        My conspiracy theory is that on most big social media, these kinds of debates are mostly conducted by bots to manufacture consent, and that we get people here who just repeat the takes from the bots they’ve seen that have the most likes because they’re hoping they get that many likes too.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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          this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it’s mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don’t think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever

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        1 day ago

        The Trump administration has classified things like recording ICE on your phone as violence, and is using that to claim that violence against ICE is is up 400 bajillion percent.

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        1 day ago

        Doesn’t matter about reality, they can respond to any thing they say, made up or not.

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      2 days ago

      If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good’s driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.

      It’s kinda depressing honestly.

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      Attacking how communication is done instead of what’s being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they’ve let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.

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      That’s a false dichotomy: it’s possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.

      Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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      It’s fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you’re making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn’t be an issue.