Trump answered a voter’s question about failing school systems by saying, “No transgender, no operations—you know, they take your kid—there are some places, your boy leaves for school, comes back a girl. Okay? Without parental consent.” He added, “At first, when I was told that was actually happening, I said, you know, it’s an exaggeration. No: it happens. It happens. There are areas where it happens.”
Good lord. In a world where people will believe something like this, what hope is there really.
This is insanity
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We just keeping making it harder to be a teacher without paying them any more.
How can we organize funding for a national teachers’ strike?
Their unions already have strike funds, so send money to the unions, ie AFCSME NYSUT etc
“Love and acceptance unlawful in Trump’s America,” better title.
The fuck is the first amendment?
Dead.
How long do we have to wait for impeachment?
Dictators are never removed by peaceful means. You can’t vote them out. You can’t impeach them.
Have you noticed how nothing is being passed through the house or senate? He’s not getting impeached. It happened twice before with no results.
Yeah, I don’t know why I expect safety mechanisms to still work. It’s an adjustment getting used to the collapse of a democracy
Him croaking of old age is a more likely outcome.
hey look, it’s the reason squid (and others) left
Surely it is THIS that will help those grocery prices…
Supporting people is lawful.
Whether the laws he passes are legitimate, up for debate.
Executive orders only effect federal organizations. Public schools are all state officiated. I don’t know a single teacher that falls under his purview. Aka any teacher punished should win in court without issue unless the courts wish to completely illegitimate themselves.
completely illegitimate themselves.
Uh…I hate to break it to you, but that happened during Trump’s first term.
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Ive seen one idea that its mostly focused on red states with so called nickname laws, and encouraging an expansion of said laws. Basically putting in federal resources to help enforce stupid state laws, I suspect that it would be ineffective at best though. Federal law enforcement per agency is probably roughly comparable to state agencies, just as an example the are avout 10,000 special FBI agents and about 38,000 employees total for comparison theres about 6,500 CHP officers cant find the total employees though. What im saying is that local and county will probably have greater enforcement capabilities per person on average meaning this is pointless at best.
Officer, arrest your neighbor and punish your cities kids because the orange man said everyone around you are bad people. How many of your neighbors have been shot by these migrants he speaks of, 0. How many of these teachers have taught your family, many.
Also local officials generally have to live in roughly the same area they are policing meaning even if they arent policing their neighbors they are still well within find out distance. Federal officials can be shuffled around, Jim the cop in Omaha Nebraska may legit get fired bombed if he pisses too many folks off.
Agreed. I can say it out loud. If a Federal official invades your homeland and threatens your people, it’s best to fill them with lead. Your neighbors are your neighbors. Those feds who betrayed you and your neighbors, are not.
I was born and raised in this country, my parents born here too. I haven’t met a neighbor who doesn’t deserve to be here. Fuck ICE, fuck this god damned Orange shit stain. I say shit stain, because shit itself has value. I can feed crops with it. The stain, worthless
His EOs aren’t laws. That takes Congress.
It’s a good thing we gave his party the majority in both houses of Congress, right?
Yeah but they don’t have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
Filibusters only prevent Dems fron doing anything.
Dems are already cooking up laws to hand the fed more power over the internet.
What
The
Actual
Fuck?
By supporting they mean what? Calling the kid the name they want to be called by?
They don’t necessarily need to explicitly teach gender and racial studies, whatever. But don’t tell my kids’ teachers they can’t be courteous to the kids. The kids don’t care one bit when someone who was a girl comes back saying they are a boy, they are nonchalant as fuck about it.
You have lost this round, conservatives. The generation who will raise the next generation is already grown up with more reasonable teaching and parents who model tolerance, there are too many of us for you to be able to control us.
Go back to your lairs and work on some other evil plan.
By supporting they mean what? Calling the kid the name they want to be called by?
Yes.
(e) “Social transition” means the process of adopting a “gender identity” or “gender marker” that differs from a person’s sex. This process can include psychological or psychiatric counseling or treatment by a school counselor or other provider; modifying a person’s name (e.g., “Jane” to “James”) or pronouns (e.g., “him” to “her”); calling a child “nonbinary”; use of intimate facilities and accommodations such as bathrooms or locker rooms specifically designated for persons of the opposite sex; and participating in school athletic competitions or other extracurricular activities specifically designated for persons of the opposite sex. “Social transition” does not include chemical or surgical mutilation.
They dont wanna go after todays kids, they want the next generation. One decade of control, and they can raise Gen Beta in the bigoted pseudo50s hellacape they always dreamed of
I’ll never forgive the people who worked to put this fascist in power again.
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I blame them most of all. They saw what was at stake and still demanded perfection on every issue, nitpicked, sowed division, and acted like we were having a totally different election where “not Trump” was an actual entry on the ballot (it wasn’t).
At least the Trump voters were honest about their intentions.
And I’ll never forgive the pundits and social media commenters who derailed conversations about how the Dems tone-deaf campaigning (e.g. promising the most lethal military in the world, Liz Cheney, etc.) was going to make some voters stay home and risked losing the election, very much like how the Dems blew elections in 2016 and 2004. Whining about alienating your own voters is like a football team whining about their opponents scoring too many points when they should be firing their head coach.
e; and before it even comes up, I voted straight ticket Dem and have done so my whole life because there is nothing I want more than the total collapse of the Republican party
The worst part of it a lot of us did that, a lot of us do that every time. What if that isn’t enough anymore. What if you give people the option between a marginally untasteful option and a shit sandwich and they just choose the sandwich anyway.
We cannot forgive them all we want but what if this is the new real. They keep doing the same thing and it keeps coming out really close. Maybe we need to do something different.
My pet theory is actually that Bernie helped, rather than gutted HRC/Biden. Through his primary campaign so many young people became convinced to vote Democrat. Even if Berniebros were disappointed, most of them still voted for a Democrat in the general election.
One thing you could really see in this election was that confused progressives moved to Trump (or stayed home) after a successful misinformation campaign. Would have been far harder for that misinformation to find a home, if progressive voters had already voted in the Democratic primary, and their preferred candidate had pointed them to the winner of the primary.
You could even see this on the GOP side. Because Hailey supported Trump, almost no GOP voters defected in the general election which ultimately resulted in the complete failure of the Democratic strategy.
TLDR: primaries with a wide variety of choices are extremely helpful in the General election.
You can be repulsed at the voters & the top democrats at the same time. There is no rule saying you can’t hate them both.
“And I’ll never forgive the pundits and social media commenters who derailed conversations about how the Dems tone-deaf campaigning”
“Whining about alienating your own voters is like a football team whining about their opponents scoring too many points when they should be firing their head coach.”
At some point in-fighting doesn’t help and you need to commit to the game plan. Getting Biden to drop out was obviously the right choice. Whining about Dems being too moderate is just making everyone discontent. For anyone who was building up anger towards the Dems instead of advocating for decency, fuck ALL THE WAY off.
And they’re still trying to justify it, because preventing this shit wasn’t exciting enough or something. I don’t give the Democrats a pass on fucking the dog this cycle, but the voters knew what was on the table and choose not to vote against it and that’s so much worse imo. They let one or two issues condemn entire groups of marginalized people, and still cry BoTh SiDeS.
one or two issues
Damn, I wonder what it was about the outreach to these people that failed. The Democratic attitude of addressing issues by minimizing or dismissing voter’s legitimate issues couldn’t possibly depress voter turnout. /s
Fucking neoliberal brain-rot.
Well gee, looks like you really showed those neolibs what for!
And as I said before, one or two issues doomed all the issues. Some people can’t be bothered to give a fuck about long term consequences because they’re not excited enough about the party or some other excuse. I hope non-voters are happy with the outcome they voted for.
ETA: you can think I’m a neolibs all you want to make you feel better about the awful outcome, but I can sleep well at night knowing that I tried to keep things from getting worse by CoMpRoMiSiNg My MoRaLs and voted for the Democrats because I didn’t want more genocide and I care about the people around me.
I voted Kamala, but she and Biden let me down. It wasn’t one or two issues, it was a total breakdown of her campaign communication strategy. When you look at what apolitical idiot voters got from the media, it’s a wonder she didn’t lose by more.
Part of that communication failure was in not taking serious issues seriously. People aren’t going to get off the couch for someone who summarily dismisses their legitimate outrage.
I definitely blame those the cast their vote for Trump the most, because they literally voted for him. I blame non voters a close second.
Fucking crazy to me that so many people left of center are fighting over who to blame on their side when the people who voted for it are right there and in power.
That’s a false narrative. The people who stayed home weren’t the ones “demanding” anything. The ones making demands were almost entirely the ones who understood that other people would stay home. Your attacking people like me who were outraged by the actions of the Biden administration and the incompetency of the Kamala campaign, both because of the horrors they represent, and because we knew the vote would be suppressed. I voted for Kamala, but she let me down.
The people who stay home aren’t the left wing activists, they are the apolitical schmucks who don’t even consider voting until the week or day of the election.
That’s not an honest evaluation of reality. Its both leftwing activists and apolitical schmucks. And FUCK THEM BOTH.
If the left ever actually abandons the Democrats, they will never win another election again. Leftwing activists are the only activists the Democrats have. What do you think the Democratic ground game would look like without activists?
As a self appointed representative of left wing activism, no, fuck you. You did this.
I am a leftist. I hate the DNC. I hate apolitical dimwits. And I hate virtue voters and protest voters. I canvassed for democrats in a delusional bid to maintain my sanity this election and I will never do that again. I don’t care if the democrats ever “win again” now. It doesn’t matter you imbecile, we’re doomed.
I don’t fathom how you don’t understand this. Its fucking over. Are you not paying attention?
I hate virtue voters
I don’t care if the democrats ever “win again” now.
So, what you’re saying is that they got there ahead of you. I guess we do become what we hate.
I don’t fathom how you don’t understand this. Its fucking over.
Not while the Earth still spins and my heart is still beating. It’s not over, it just got hard.
I don’t fathom how you don’t understand this. Its fucking over. Are you not paying attention?
This is why I wanted people to be able to see beyond the possibility (or probability) of electing Trump. It seems to me the entire left side of the country (and even some of the apolitical people) bet the entire house on Trump not winning again, and when he won again they have absolutely no answer for it.
It’s also what I found so frustrating about the “Genocide Joe” gang, because they were pretending the entire time that it wouldn’t be such a big deal if Trump got elected…that we would somehow be able to magically have a revolution or something and be able to handle a full-on fascist slide…that there would be a response from outside of the electoral and political system that would allow them to accomplish their purported goals if people just didn’t vote.
Well, we’re here. He’s elected. He’s in power. What the fuck is this supposed response and when is it starting?
At least there’s no more genocide going on anywhere in the world.
And he singlehandedly stopped the war in Ukraine on day one like he said
I’m pretty sure stores are paying you to take eggs now, too.
We’re all so rich now, my landlord just gifted me my apartment.
Top names on that list are Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the Democratic political consultants who destroyed her campaign.
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What do you expect us non-Americans to do about it?
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I don’t think they were referring to you buddy.
Such a reactionary take. There’s a more than good chance the election was manipulated through voter suppression and purges. If we continue to look to the past and blame each other for failing to prevent Trump, the fascists will continue to use that to their advantage. There will be many Trump voters that were misinformed that want to resist, we must welcome the support. To get through this and move forward positively, we must look past grievances and work together.
There will be many Trump voters that were misinformed that want to resist, we must welcome the support.
There must be a path to redemption. It’s there for anyone who wants to take it.
To get through this and move forward positively, we must look past grievances and work together.
While this is true, that path to redemption has to be taken first. Until then, my grievances stand firm.
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Has everyone collectively forgotten how Trump literally bragged that his buddy Elawn can hack the voting machines? It was like he was nodding to ‘the hacker named 4chan’ and grinning that he was on the payroll.
It also assumes the outcome of our election was ever going to be fair, as if the captured Supreme Court wouldn’t have intervened in a close election to give Trump the presidency anyway. Harris needed a landslide victory to have a chance to avoid the election getting stolen, and by August it was clear she could not get one.
Emotionally I’m not inclined to place another iota of effort into politics. I feel like I’ve wasted 20 years of my life obsessing over it.
And with that I have zero desire to forgive anyone even slightly responsible for Trump’s victory. I don’t owe anyone shit, I did not choose to be born.
I am the exact same.
8 years, as I only started caring about politics when I saw Trump stamping his little feet over all of the progress we had made after Obama.
Now, I’m ready to watch this shit burn. Fuck it. I’ve got my one way ticket ready for when it truly goes to hell.
The only people beneath Trump supporters in this society are people that didn’t bother to vote. They are scum.
I have met people who voted for trump because they didn’t like Hillary, or didn’t like biden and “didn’t realize what he’d do” and far, far too many people he targets like immigrants who support him, for a Myriad of reasons, but many, saying he wont target us because we supported him or “He’s not going to target us, just ‘insert country here’”. The leopards earing faces voters are very real and have put so much on themselves and everyone around them.
That excuse runs hollow this time around. He said exactly what he was going to do and is doing it. None of his is a surprise except to especially ignorant.
Well we couldn’t have bLuEmAGA in power after all! That would have been worse!/s
Yeah! God forbid we keep Democracy running for a few more years while we all get our collective asses into gear and start tackling issues one at a time instead of being tugged to and fro from issue to issue!
One can dream, at least.
It’s been “a few more years” every election of my life. Nobody was ever going to take collective action to actually change the Democrat party, and the Republicans have been working for this endgame the whole time. The last two decades have been a slow motion car-crash.
awww. that’s gonna hurt their fee fees. well, i sure am glad we figured out how to stop fascism.
Oh, I forgot every single comment has to be about how to stop fascism!
Glad you told us how in your post.
Thanks for gracing us with such a smart comment. Sounds like I touched a nerve.
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I feel the mad in you, I sincerely do, but when the whole ocean is moving in a certain way due to underlying currents, it is incorrect to place the blame on any individual droplet, for none of them individually are responsible for it or have the power to control or alter it. Understand that the droplets themselves are moving because of the said currents. The best you can do is accept reality and plan your course ahead. The mad only burns you from inside without solving any problem.
PS: to everyone commenting below me, now mad at me -
- everyone is accountable for their individual actions and I’m not absolving anyone of their individual responsibilities.
- I’m not telling you that you shouldn’t feel the mad, rather that I get the mad that you feel. I’m just as mad as you.
- After being mad at all your friends and family for say about a decade, you come to realize that most of them are simple minds susceptible to propaganda, and that propaganda works, and that it works because it appeals to the human instinct of individualism (incorrectly overriding collectivism) using tools like fear and anger. We need to rise over our own anger and other instincts to see all this so we can better move forward.
it is incorrect to place the blame on any individual droplet
No, they each made the individual choice to back a fascist.
Absolving them of that responsibility is the same infantilizing condescension that liberal media has been pushing for a decade now.
You don’t get to tell me how to feel about those who made the people I love unsafe, and I don’t owe a single one of those fascist bastards forgiveness.
He’s not blaming individuals, he’s blaming a collective. A conglomerate of willfully ignorant, and often hateful, voters. So yes, don’t personally attribute this to Bill So-and-so, but if you see Bill fly a confederate flag and talk about trans kids, you know Bill is part of the collective and you can go ahead and add some blame on his pile.
If only the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials had you as a lawyer. They were only following orders, after all.
Nobody understands population statistics… Your entire post is correct at a higher level than those shouting individualism, but they cannot comprehend the aggregate consequences or truth.
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Nobody is saying your emotions are invalid. Your feelings are very valid. Here’s a hug from me to you to prove the point (I hope it counts, lol). All I’m saying is that anger is instinctive & it clouds our judgement (like we literally can’t process any other thoughts while angry). If you calmly think about it, you instantly reacted and insulted me and other poster above you, you put us both in the ‘other team’, while we were both in your team all along. That my friend is anger leading to more individualism (you alone in your room) over collectivism (same team). That is the exact same weakness that is exploited by those doing the propaganda. And that is why we all need to rise over it.
I wasn’t looking for advice, and so I don’t really care what you have to say, which is why I deleted my comment to debate bro above.
Find another mission.
Fuck every fascist forever, and I don’t need the “tut tuts” of moderates. Anger is a very useful motivating emotion, and I’m never letting this fire burn out.
Intentionally so, so spare me more of your condescension.
“No transgender, no operations—you know, they take your kid—there are some places, your boy leaves for school, comes back a girl. Okay? Without parental consent.” He added, “At first, when I was told that was actually happening, I said, you know, it’s an exaggeration. No: it happens. It happens. There are areas where it happens.”
Gotta wonder if he’s manufacturing reality or if he’s also caught up in a manufactured reality.
It’s definitely both.
He’s a conman by nature, not by intelligence.
He inherently knows he has to manufacture lies to get what he wants, but he’s very clearly not an actually intelligent person and you can clearly tell sometimes that he’s 100% bought into some conspiracy theories, the same way any dumb person would. The guy’s brain is mostly fried, but the conman in his nature is still there. Will be until he’s 6 feet under.
I can’t believe there’s a single person who believes that children are being snuck into hospitals to just have a quick 20,000 dollar surgery that takes months to fully recover from during lunch and sneaking them home without anyone noticing
If they had critical thinking skills, we wouldn’t have Trump as president.
He knows his out is now “I saw it on TV”
Let’s play the “replace the group with jews and see if they sound like a Nazi”
Trump tells DOJ to proescute teachers who unlawfully support jewish students.
Eyup
Fascism isn’t coming.
It’s already here.
They already made women second class citizens. Now they’re moving on to vulnerable minorities.
Sound like any other examples from history?
I’d say the alarms have started going off, but they’ve been going off for quite some time now. Deaf and dumb Americans as a whole can’t hear them though.
