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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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There wasn’t an attempt but it could have been misinterpreted by the agent
It’s not like she obviously wanted to drive away as ICE tried to open her door
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It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It’s terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If you want them held accountable then it’s time to take matters into our own hands. It really is time for us to start shooting ICE on sight if we want to keep our communities safe. What other choice have they left us?
Just got banned from Reddit for suggesting we should be ready to kill our murderers if we’re going to be killed anyways. People are not ready to hear this, but they fucking need to.
i’ve been commenting this all over tiktok and any chance i get. i genuinely want to understand why its not already happening. the USA’s whole deal with the right to bear arms is seeming more like an excuse to shoot kids in schools than actually protect yourselves.
is there an actual answer?
The media is painting her as a criminal.
This is the beginning. Mass shooting of protesters will be next.
Doesn’t that make them accessories after the fact to murder?
The media is painting her as a criminal.
There is a saying of what do you call 9 people having dinner with 1 Nazi? 10 Nazis. Starting to think that the major media is just a bunch of Nazis.
Post-mortem determination of guilt.
You were shot therefore you must have been a bad person deserving of being shot.
This is toxic thinking at it’s finest.
I fear you’re right. The vice president said the shooter has full immunity. ICE can kill people with impunity now.
ICE says the woman, later identified as Renee Good, was shot in her car after attempting to ram into agents. Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz are disputing ICE’s version of events.
Feel free to add your own interpretation of the video, intrepid MPR news reporter and stop repeating ICE’s bullshiat*t,
If that’s what happened, they should release the body cam footage… Oh wait.
I’m glad I’m not American. The US is a failed country right now. Zero respect for human life. I never intended to visit it as a tourist, and now I know I won’t.
As someone who lives in Canada, same here. I’ve been in the past (IE. Pre-Trump) and it was lovely but I probably won’t go again. In our household we don’t even buy American products or shop in American stores anymore if we can possibly help it.
I know a lot of people who do the same too. I don’t think the US has quite grasped yet how much it has pissed Canada off, and how long the road is going to be to start fixing that up, if they even want to try. Certainly at the moment they seem to be set on making it worse and worse each day.
Time to turn our attention from not engaging with anything American to actively preparing to fight and disrupt America. Wherever you are.
Do not buy American products. Do not buy domestically produced products where an American company gets money (Coca Cola for example). If you can’t afford alternatives, do without.
Learn civil defense skills.
we need to treat it as a cautionary tale and fight to ensure that never happens in our countries. Americanism must be rejected at all costs.
The ICE shitbags are the neo-SS or NKVD, take your pick. Someday, Renee’s children will understand the tragedy and how the US politicians and business leaders failed the USA. Mango Fucknut Mussolini’s response is simply disgusting.
Time to get back out there and fight back against their bot accounts and MAGA zealots from reframing this stuff yet again. If you deleted your social media accounts then it’s time to get them back and actually put content out to refute bullshit. Call out the leftists telling you to disengage or “Don’t wrestle with pigs”. Fuck the pigs up. It’s a numbers game and the more content shared the more opinions will change over time.
If you’re all willing to drive multiple states to go stand in the streets to protest once a year, but you can’t be bothered to stop the spread of disinformation and their media from getting to the eyes and ears of the general public then it’s a bit like you’re trying to rebuild a fence after it collapsed rather than just going out there to put some new posts in before it fell.
If you think that only the democrats can solve this. Then don’t bother replying. I don’t think you’re worth any effort or time. If you’re response is something about ‘democrats aren’t doing anything’ don’t bother. You’re weak and nobody should listen to you ever.
So go out there. Stop hiding. Make your views public again.
can anyone explain to me seriously, why aren’t the citizens SHOOTING THEM WITH THEIR GUNS!?
for reals, what the fuck, the USA’s whole deal with the guns is to stop situations like this happening yet no one is doing anythiing to stop these terrorists
Because nobody wants to die. If you happen to witness a murder for the first time in your life, everyday people usually don’t start shooting at authorities. This is not Mad Max.
I was amazed to see that this still didn’t happen
Fuck this hurts. Probably because it’s so true. I really don’t want it to come to it, but I’m gradually realizing I may have to protect myself from people I know and love.
What is it about giving permission for violence that draws people? Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
You probably saw Con Air and don’t want to end up in Nicholas Cage’s role from that movie, I’d reckon, as well!
Whoa! You don’t know me like that. But it seems you do.
I also think about the first Jack Reacher movie. Where Tom Cruise’ character asks them if they’re ‘sure they want to do this’ right before wiping out a bunch of dudes 5:1.
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
He absolutely is. It’s clear as day.
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it’s the AfD. It is interesting to me that it’s almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Show of hands if you’ve ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Sounds like you wandered into ml
Unfortunately it was not, it was lefty memes on dbzer0.
Which book?
I assume this one.
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
I mean…yeah. Regular people will do whatever they can to put off or avoid having to become murderers, regardless of where they live. Even if the murder would be justified; regular, normal people just don’t want to become killers.
Obviously something needs to be done (or, more accurately, many things should have been done decades ago to prevent all of this cruel nonsense, but alas). Asking and expecting average people to kill just because it is the easiest way to envision out of this…that’s just not reasonable. Besides the social and emotional ask of it being monumental on its own, it would also be met with the greatest military force in world history, anyway.
Many US citizens refuse to respond with militant might for the same reasons other world powers are refusing to intervene with the same: the violence it will spark will kill way, way more innocent souls than what is currently happening. Many of which will die horrific, torturous deaths en masse. Entire cities left as smoking husks. Families erased from the gene pool. Terrors and horrors unimaginable would become the norm, as is always the case with war.
I can very much understand the frustration that stirs this line of thought, just as well as I can empathize with those being asked to pursue it. We all want this to be done with and we all want a simple, direct solution. There are very good and rational reasons to not provoke the US military, however. For foreign and domestic parties, alike.
Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either, but asking regular people to become murderers because it seems easy/possible from the outside…that’s just not a realistic ask for many of the same reasons that no world military is going to invade the US mainland anytime soon. Not without a whole lot of pain and suffering first befalling those average folks, at least. Enough people here have to agree that there is nowhere left to run before the regular joe can be overcome by the killer within, and that is a reasonable and usual response to these sorts of things, all over the world.
And sorry for ranting on it. I am a pacifist, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels. Again, I can understand the sentiment. I just can not sit with it morally, philosophically, or even on the terms of basic reasoning. The response would be overwhelming and truly devastating. I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
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am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.
I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
Violence is, absolutely, necessary at times. I dont disagree with that.
What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold. Those systems need addressing and reconfiguring if we ever want to see things like this become cultural relics. My phrasing could have admittedly been better, but I do not think it is naive to see the problem behind the problem.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.
You are not wrong. Violence will again become a necessity, as has always been true thus far. Still tho, as bad as things are, a mishandling of the situation could very easily make things exponentially and explosively worse.
Again, I dont know what the proper fix is. But I do know that violence begets itself and as long as we remain in this cycle, it will only be a matter of time before our ways out of that abusive loop are razed entirely. That final revolution (“revolution” in the sense of this cycle of violence tbc) will most likely be coming someday and, with the US military being what it is and with who is currently leading it, that day’s coming could be very near. People are scared to act because all actions are met with reactions. Whether or not it is what you want to be true or to hear, it still could get a lot worse than it currently is, and throwing oil on fire is a great way to hasten that potential future.
Something needs to be done. I agree with that with every fiber of my being. I just dont see violence sparking further violence as the fix many of us hope it could be. Knowing what devastation the US military will check it with is not a hypothetical, a suggestion, or parody. It is a dire reality that ill-advised/ill-placed violence can and will usher in if allowed.
It’s a common saying in gun culture that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. How do you stop a bad guy with more guns, missiles, and nukes than nearly all of the rest of the world combined? Good guys with guns can stand against that, but not for long and not in the “we are going to win this fight” sort of way either. They will be mowed down and turned to mush before they can even draw, if that is what the US military wants to happen.
I agree with your overall sentiment. I just cant find any reason to believe that what youre proposing will lead in the direction you are hoping it will, unless your hope is true and utter devastation.
Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it’s possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
Meanwhile the administration only talks annexation of greenland (a USA ally). And no talks about revising or stop ICE untill this case has been solved, nothing. Just trump Saying his sorry.
They still haven’t explained why they redacted the Epstein files. The rule of law is dead in America imo.
True, the laws only exist to keep the lower classes enslaved.
Yep, its fucking scary and crazy. But we can’t be too supprised about this, I mean half of what he said under the election he has done, the other half is in project 2025. So, there is that. Good 4 you USA, that you voted for this hitler shit.
The US has gone fascist, mate. The establishment loves this kind of shit. Sadly on both sides. They probably want to give the ICE agent a cash prize.
The video evidence disputes the federal government’s version, I’m sure they’ll just say AI, and continue as if nothing happened
It’s abhorrent, but nothing will come from this.
All the top comments are about masked non-masked AI video. They’ve already achieved the goal of distraction from the actual issue.
When will centrists realize that this isn’t a both sides thing?
I am disgusted and scared, fuck the center of this country that ignored these problems until they tore it apart.
Being “centrist” shouldn’t mean “I support the republicans and democrats equally” it should mean “I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them”
Anybody who claims to be a “centrist” and supports almost anything Trump’s party is doing is not a centrist, they are right wing.
Being “centrist” shouldn’t mean “I support the republicans and democrats equally” it should mean “I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them”
Capitalist systems are so existentially and catastrophically broken that in order to find a middle ground you have to turn off the rational part of your brain. Centrists cannot handle the implications of this so they consciously or subconsciously thought terminate back to “I support the republicans and democrats equally”.
If a “centrist” can’t tell the difference between Nazi gestapo and people who just want to live their lives, they are indistinguishable from Nazis themselves and should be treated as such
Though the Nazis will certainly be able to distinguish between full throated Nazis and centrists, when it comes time for picking the new outgroup. It’s part of why centrists annoy me so much — tolerance towards Nazis is literally a slow motion suicide
I mean… it is a “both sides” thing in the sense that there is a heavily armed paramilitary group with no oversight abducting and gunning down anyone they want. Doesn’t matter how you voted or how many maga hats you buy, if they decide you are “an illegal” they’ll toss your wallet away and load you into the back of a van.
Last summer (after this all got started) House Democrats voted to commend ICE
Indeed, it’s not as if Obama or Biden dismantled ICE when they took office. They are all part of the same machine.
ICE is a paramilitary death squad.
Centrist here.
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Fuck off with your anti-centrist bigotry and caricatured centrist views.
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It is a both sides thing, because your fucking pussies of a Democrat party are showing what wealth hoarding, vote chasing cowards they are, by keeping their heads down and mounting zero opposition to your government being seized by a populist dictator. They are clearly not a viable alternative to this atrocity. We need to replace the whole two party, capitalism-corrupted system, not just ensure that your supposed “good guy party” wins the next election.
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Being a centrist doesn’t make me a milquetoast appeaser. It means I reject the dichotomy that the only alternative to this populism is more capital-first liberal greed.
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Your view of centrists, casting them all as people who can’t decide between the two obvious alternatives, rather than people who reject both, is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on. It’s propaganda to keep one of the two extractive elites in power and prevent us from ever even discussing actual alternatives.
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Same thing, for math lovers: if you take a 1D slice through a n-dimensional normal distribution of views, the more perpendicular a dimension is to yours, the less correlated they are, the more those views will tend to map to the center of the dimension you’re insisting on, despite being actually just as distinct. It’s your insistence on this 1D view that creates centrists, and your dismissal of them is propaganda to prevent real change.
Assuming you’re in USA, you do understand that there’s only right and extreme right ? There is no proper representation for the center or the left over there. I hope you vote closest to your convictions though, as not voting is akin to voting for the elected party. “No vote” actually won the last elections, too bad “No vote” isn’t a center party. You got extreme right instead.
lol fuck off centrist.
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Police surround your car and they are trying to get in and you want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe and they want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
If each and every police department was replaced with an occupational paramilitary junta… Would anybody notice?
Edit: my b, this was done by ICE. They’re basically the same thing but at a federal scale.
