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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It’s terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The media is painting her as a criminal.
This is the beginning. Mass shooting of protesters will be next.
Post-mortem determination of guilt.
You were shot therefore you must have been a bad person deserving of being shot.
This is toxic thinking at it’s finest.
The media is painting her as a criminal.
There is a saying of what do you call 9 people having dinner with 1 Nazi? 10 Nazis. Starting to think that the major media is just a bunch of Nazis.
I’m glad I’m not American. The US is a failed country right now. Zero respect for human life. I never intended to visit it as a tourist, and now I know I won’t.
As someone who lives in Canada, same here. I’ve been in the past (IE. Pre-Trump) and it was lovely but I probably won’t go again. In our household we don’t even buy American products or shop in American stores anymore if we can possibly help it.
I know a lot of people who do the same too. I don’t think the US has quite grasped yet how much it has pissed Canada off, and how long the road is going to be to start fixing that up, if they even want to try. Certainly at the moment they seem to be set on making it worse and worse each day.
we need to treat it as a cautionary tale and fight to ensure that never happens in our countries. Americanism must be rejected at all costs.
Time to turn our attention from not engaging with anything American to actively preparing to fight and disrupt America. Wherever you are.
Do not buy American products. Do not buy domestically produced products where an American company gets money (Coca Cola for example). If you can’t afford alternatives, do without.
Learn civil defense skills.
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Show of hands if you’ve ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Sounds like you wandered into ml
Unfortunately it was not, it was lefty memes on dbzer0.
Which book?
I assume this one.
He absolutely is. It’s clear as day.
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it’s the AfD. It is interesting to me that it’s almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
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am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.
I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
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What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.
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Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either
I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.
Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.
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Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it’s possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
ICE says the woman, later identified as Renee Good, was shot in her car after attempting to ram into agents. Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz are disputing ICE’s version of events.
Feel free to add your own interpretation of the video, intrepid MPR news reporter and stop repeating ICE’s bullshiat*t,
If that’s what happened, they should release the body cam footage… Oh wait.
When will centrists realize that this isn’t a both sides thing?
I am disgusted and scared, fuck the center of this country that ignored these problems until they tore it apart.
If a “centrist” can’t tell the difference between Nazi gestapo and people who just want to live their lives, they are indistinguishable from Nazis themselves and should be treated as such
Though the Nazis will certainly be able to distinguish between full throated Nazis and centrists, when it comes time for picking the new outgroup. It’s part of why centrists annoy me so much — tolerance towards Nazis is literally a slow motion suicide
Being “centrist” shouldn’t mean “I support the republicans and democrats equally” it should mean “I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them”
Anybody who claims to be a “centrist” and supports almost anything Trump’s party is doing is not a centrist, they are right wing.
Being “centrist” shouldn’t mean “I support the republicans and democrats equally” it should mean “I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them”
Capitalist systems are so existentially and catastrophically broken that in order to find a middle ground you have to turn off the rational part of your brain. Centrists cannot handle the implications of this so they consciously or subconsciously thought terminate back to “I support the republicans and democrats equally”.
I mean… it is a “both sides” thing in the sense that there is a heavily armed paramilitary group with no oversight abducting and gunning down anyone they want. Doesn’t matter how you voted or how many maga hats you buy, if they decide you are “an illegal” they’ll toss your wallet away and load you into the back of a van.
Last summer (after this all got started) House Democrats voted to commend ICE
Indeed, it’s not as if Obama or Biden dismantled ICE when they took office. They are all part of the same machine.
ICE is a paramilitary death squad.
Centrist here.
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Fuck off with your anti-centrist bigotry and caricatured centrist views.
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It is a both sides thing, because your fucking pussies of a Democrat party are showing what wealth hoarding, vote chasing cowards they are, by keeping their heads down and mounting zero opposition to your government being seized by a populist dictator. They are clearly not a viable alternative to this atrocity. We need to replace the whole two party, capitalism-corrupted system, not just ensure that your supposed “good guy party” wins the next election.
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Being a centrist doesn’t make me a milquetoast appeaser. It means I reject the dichotomy that the only alternative to this populism is more capital-first liberal greed.
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Your view of centrists, casting them all as people who can’t decide between the two obvious alternatives, rather than people who reject both, is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on. It’s propaganda to keep one of the two extractive elites in power and prevent us from ever even discussing actual alternatives.
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Same thing, for math lovers: if you take a 1D slice through a n-dimensional normal distribution of views, the more perpendicular a dimension is to yours, the less correlated they are, the more those views will tend to map to the center of the dimension you’re insisting on, despite being actually just as distinct. It’s your insistence on this 1D view that creates centrists, and your dismissal of them is propaganda to prevent real change.
Assuming you’re in USA, you do understand that there’s only right and extreme right ? There is no proper representation for the center or the left over there. I hope you vote closest to your convictions though, as not voting is akin to voting for the elected party. “No vote” actually won the last elections, too bad “No vote” isn’t a center party. You got extreme right instead.
lol fuck off centrist.
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Fuck this hurts. Probably because it’s so true. I really don’t want it to come to it, but I’m gradually realizing I may have to protect myself from people I know and love.
What is it about giving permission for violence that draws people? Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
You probably saw Con Air and don’t want to end up in Nicholas Cage’s role from that movie, I’d reckon, as well!
Whoa! You don’t know me like that. But it seems you do.
I also think about the first Jack Reacher movie. Where Tom Cruise’ character asks them if they’re ‘sure they want to do this’ right before wiping out a bunch of dudes 5:1.
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There wasn’t an attempt but it could have been misinterpreted by the agent
It’s not like she obviously wanted to drive away as ICE tried to open her door
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The video evidence disputes the federal government’s version, I’m sure they’ll just say AI, and continue as if nothing happened
It’s abhorrent, but nothing will come from this.
All the top comments are about masked non-masked AI video. They’ve already achieved the goal of distraction from the actual issue.
Meanwhile the administration only talks annexation of greenland (a USA ally). And no talks about revising or stop ICE untill this case has been solved, nothing. Just trump Saying his sorry.
They still haven’t explained why they redacted the Epstein files. The rule of law is dead in America imo.
True, the laws only exist to keep the lower classes enslaved.
Yep, its fucking scary and crazy. But we can’t be too supprised about this, I mean half of what he said under the election he has done, the other half is in project 2025. So, there is that. Good 4 you USA, that you voted for this hitler shit.
The US has gone fascist, mate. The establishment loves this kind of shit. Sadly on both sides. They probably want to give the ICE agent a cash prize.
Police surround your car and they are trying to get in and you want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe and they want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
If each and every police department was replaced with an occupational paramilitary junta… Would anybody notice?
Edit: my b, this was done by ICE. They’re basically the same thing but at a federal scale.
I have been noticing the increased anger with people’s posts online, myself included. I just said yesterday that it feels like a tipping point and it’s not gonna take much to start the riots. This event feels like a heavy hand on the scale pushing everyone over the edge. I hope it’s not and we can continue the peaceful protests. But I don’t blame anyone for taking a stand.
But I don’t blame anyone for taking a stand.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
If I’m the jury for someone accused of doing anything to an ICE agent, you will not be found guilty.
Okay now stop saying it so you can actually make it through jury selection.
Don’t forget to tell your fellow jurists about jury nullification, but definitely don’t say anything about it when they’re interviewing you for a juror position.
I’ve come to the same realization, and I applaud you.
Protests can be peaceful and armed, FWIW. That’s what started the Black Panthers. People realized that unarmed peaceful protests got violently broken up… But heavily armed peaceful protests had cops politely watching from across the street.
Cops were more than happy to fire into crowds when everyone was unarmed. But the cost/benefit ratio suddenly changed when the entire crowd could return fire. A cop may be able to hit three or four protestors, and in an unarmed protest, the rest would quickly scatter and disperse. But when everyone was armed, the rest of the crowd could immediately return fire instead.
It’s also what started modern gun control laws. When lawmakers saw a bunch of heavily armed black people on their front porch, and saw cops unwilling to break it up, they got really fucking sweaty. So Ronald Reagan (yes, the same Reagan that conservatives put on a pedestal) and the NRA (yes, the same NRA that lobbies for looser gun control after school shootings) co-sponsored the Mullford Act, which was the most restrictive gun control bill the country had ever seen. It was literally the start of modern gun control laws.
This is what drove the Black Panthers underground, as the lawmakers and police worked to criminalize and track them, so they could kick down doors during dinner time, instead of busting up the peaceful protests directly. And we still see that tactic being used today, with police setting up cell phone trackers and facial recognition cameras at protests, and raiding suspected attendees’ homes days or weeks after the protest.
This wasn’t just the Panthers, there were plenty of armed volunteers during the Civil Rights movement. I highly recommend “This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed”.
The ICE shitbags are the neo-SS or NKVD, take your pick. Someday, Renee’s children will understand the tragedy and how the US politicians and business leaders failed the USA. Mango Fucknut Mussolini’s response is simply disgusting.
Time to get back out there and fight back against their bot accounts and MAGA zealots from reframing this stuff yet again. If you deleted your social media accounts then it’s time to get them back and actually put content out to refute bullshit. Call out the leftists telling you to disengage or “Don’t wrestle with pigs”. Fuck the pigs up. It’s a numbers game and the more content shared the more opinions will change over time.
If you’re all willing to drive multiple states to go stand in the streets to protest once a year, but you can’t be bothered to stop the spread of disinformation and their media from getting to the eyes and ears of the general public then it’s a bit like you’re trying to rebuild a fence after it collapsed rather than just going out there to put some new posts in before it fell.
If you think that only the democrats can solve this. Then don’t bother replying. I don’t think you’re worth any effort or time. If you’re response is something about ‘democrats aren’t doing anything’ don’t bother. You’re weak and nobody should listen to you ever.
So go out there. Stop hiding. Make your views public again.
