What reference. The only one was a link to something I had already shared and it linked to the one area of liberalism that is considered center or center right. So let me know which link I’d love to know

No, you are in .ml which is comparable to the trump supporters on the right. They have been radicalized and used various newspeak to create a unified voice that doesn’t conform with standard knowledge. This is why I have shown all kinds of sources that reinforce the idea that liberalism is center left while everyone from .ml is strictly applying Marxist theory as if it’s fact. Same experience arguing vaccines in r/conservative.

No? Give me something that proves it isn’t. I have quoted everything from dictionaries to Princeton to media and all anyone is doing is repeating Marxist theory you’re the trumpets of the left. Sorry but it’s true

I think it’s a very nuanced position but I still defend that it’s center left. Economically conservative I’m assuming means pro capitalist.

I support cooperatives and changing laws to fix how people are allowed to invest in the market. I don’t see why those things are not left.

Look at Mondragon Spain as one example of a proven successful example. Like historically successful. They changed how corporations are controlled after WWII and have proven successfully it works.

Both are political left of center views. The political spectrum is not centered on socialism/capitalism.

As the other commenter mentioned, it seems everyone here has a very binary understanding of things. I’d be cautious as I’ve seen this same binary views with Trump fuck heads in 2016.

It’s Marxist theory. Marxism is not a universal theory on the subject. It’s one of many lenses. So no he’s not correct. It’s more nuanced than they’re suggesting. Which is misinformation.

Source: Wikipedia – Social liberalism

Quote: “Social liberalism is a political philosophy and variety of liberalism that endorses social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights…”

Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centre to centre-left, although there are deviations from these positions to both the political left or right. In modern political discourse, social liberalism is associated with progressivism, a left-liberalism contrasted to the right-leaning neoliberalism, and combines support for a mixed economy with cultural liberalism.”

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

Source: Simple English Wikipedia – Social liberalism

Quote: “Social liberalism … endorses a regulated market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights.”

Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left"

Link: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

Source: Britannica – Liberalism

Quote: “Modern liberals are generally willing to experiment with large‑scale social change to further their project of protecting and enhancing individual freedom.”

Link: https://www.britannica.com/question/How-does-modern-liberalism-differ-from-conservatism

Source: Cambridge Dictionary – Liberalism

Quote: “Liberal political ideas emphasize the need to make new laws as society changes and the need for government to provide social services.”

Link: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english-russian/liberal

Source: Pew Research Center – Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology

Quote: “Holding liberal positions on nearly all issues, Establishment Liberals are some of the strongest supporters of the current president and the Democratic Party of any political typology group.”

Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/

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Partially true but not universally true. This is like saying Jazz is African American music and classical is white music. You’re flattening these things into a very binary categorization. These are not binary categories like this. There’s so much nuance.

There’s so many more options and honestly I’m worried there’s a push you radicalize the left against even considering it after seeing many comments here.

An example of the top of my head is cooperatives. We don’t need public ownership of factories and production. We can restructure capitalism and how it works so it is more socialized. Worker owned business. Change the laws. Change how corporations are structured when they go public. Change investing laws since faceless stakeholders is a primary cause of a lot of issues we face.

The options are not capitalism or socialism. That seems like it’s a toxic pill that’s being pushed in the community. I really advise people to consider there’s potentially some radicalization occurring in certain corners. Remember they have a lot of power to push ideas and kill others. If we all know Cambridge and Koch brothers and heritage foundations are out there manipulating things online, maybe it’s important to be careful of dominant opinions in the niche corners as they grow.

I did do for the same reasons. But I question if this speeds things up.

If I was a big think tank charged with changing the public opinion to favor the right wing, my first thing I’d advise you to do was remove political opponents from the view of the general public.

Then once the area has been cleared, it’ll be cheaper to flood the zone with messages and opinions and content that shapes public opinion you favor the view I want.

Can you show me where private property is categorically right leaning and not left

This isn’t really relevant here. Social liberalism, democratic liberalism as categories are defined as left of center. A green group and another group labelling themselves socialist whatever isn’t changing what the definition is for sometime with different names

No I’m right I gave references, nobody has provided anything that has shown that liberalism is right

Right and there is more than classic liberalism. As I said. The majority of the others are left of center with classic liberalism being the outlier. Of which, Democrats still are right of classic liberalism

Classical liberalism is an iteration of liberalism. It is not liberalism. There are also Democratic liberalism and social liberalism among many others. Almost all lean left of center with classic liberalism being more center

Definitely am not. I have plenty of supporting links. You all have … Comments

Economics?

Have you heard of cooperatives. Would you categorize a cooperative as a right leaning concept

I’ve been answering a lot of stuff here. How about you tell me what you define it as

Hey what’s the title of this Princeton article

https://www.princeton.edu/~starr/articles/articles12/Starr_Center-left-liberalism.html

Anymore of this nonsense I’m just going to post chatgpt references cause I know how you all love that