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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.

  • kelpie_returns@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Violence is, absolutely, necessary at times. I dont disagree with that.

    What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold. Those systems need addressing and reconfiguring if we ever want to see things like this become cultural relics. My phrasing could have admittedly been better, but I do not think it is naive to see the problem behind the problem.

    The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 days ago

      What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.

      The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.

      The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.

      We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.

      Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.

      You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.

      • kelpie_returns@lemmy.world
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        3 days ago

        You are not wrong. Violence will again become a necessity, as has always been true thus far. Still tho, as bad as things are, a mishandling of the situation could very easily make things exponentially and explosively worse.

        Again, I dont know what the proper fix is. But I do know that violence begets itself and as long as we remain in this cycle, it will only be a matter of time before our ways out of that abusive loop are razed entirely. That final revolution (“revolution” in the sense of this cycle of violence tbc) will most likely be coming someday and, with the US military being what it is and with who is currently leading it, that day’s coming could be very near. People are scared to act because all actions are met with reactions. Whether or not it is what you want to be true or to hear, it still could get a lot worse than it currently is, and throwing oil on fire is a great way to hasten that potential future.

        Something needs to be done. I agree with that with every fiber of my being. I just dont see violence sparking further violence as the fix many of us hope it could be. Knowing what devastation the US military will check it with is not a hypothetical, a suggestion, or parody. It is a dire reality that ill-advised/ill-placed violence can and will usher in if allowed.

        It’s a common saying in gun culture that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. How do you stop a bad guy with more guns, missiles, and nukes than nearly all of the rest of the world combined? Good guys with guns can stand against that, but not for long and not in the “we are going to win this fight” sort of way either. They will be mowed down and turned to mush before they can even draw, if that is what the US military wants to happen.

        I agree with your overall sentiment. I just cant find any reason to believe that what youre proposing will lead in the direction you are hoping it will, unless your hope is true and utter devastation.