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I’m not really one for Tik Tok, but I went on REDNote to see what it was about and it was incredibly wholesome seeing American and Chinese people getting to interact as normal human beings and understand each other without it being filtered through our governments. Even if they don’t shut down Tik Tok, they’re gonna have to shut that shit down. Can’t have future soldiers seeing their “enemies” as humans.
I wonder if they’re actually chinese troll farms
Insane to me that people can be this xenophobic. Wholesome Chinese people? No internet troll farm.
China paying entire offices of people to be friendly, entertaining, and educational to foreigners online would be cool actually.
For those unfamiliar:
The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao, are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People’s Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The program was created during the early phases of the Internet’s rollout to the wider public in China.
Who like all of them? Why?
The problem with the American government trying to propagandize us against China is that there is currently nothing that they can say about China that is not effectively the same or WORSE in the United States.
But China spies on their citizens…Yeah, that’s the NSA.
They can’t Google Tiananmen Square. They don’t want people knowing their history…We’re trying to ban history books right now because we don’t like that white people look bad during the slave trade.
But China doesn’t have freedom of press…All of our press sources have been bought up by billionaires who also contribute enough campaign contributions to effectively own all of our politicians so that they can control which laws are passed as well as control the narrative surrounding those laws.
China doesn’t have freedom of speech…The United States is officially banning a platform on January 19th that is used by millions of Americans to communicate and share ideas!!!
But China has massive amounts of human rights violations…Forced birth is a war crime that is happening in America RIGHT NOW. Child marriage is legal in the United States right now. Our prison system is legalized slavery. There is a reason that we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. It’s because it’s legalized slavery. The 13th amendment to our constitution says “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Convenient for a nation that imprisons black people at more than FIVE TIMES the rate of white people.
China is condoning/committing a genocide…That’s fucking laughable. Smile and say that to America’s indigenous peoples. Say that to Palestine. Say that to Congo. Say that to Sudan. Fuck it… Say that to ANY COUNTRY in the global south.
But the working conditions for the Chinese people are terrible…We haven’t raised the minimum wage in 15 FUCKING YEARS! The minimum wage is still $7.25 per hour, meaning you could work a full time job and still only make $15,080 per year. BEFORE TAXES!!! With basically no guaranteed benefits. And on top of that, the government is actively banning an app that is a secondary source of income for people.
There is really not much we can say about China right now, in a negative light, that we cannot find some equivalent here in the United States. And on top of that, at least China has universal healthcare. At least China has public transportation. At least in China, they’re not having their kids shot to death on a daily basis. At least in Chin/ they have managed their homeless population. Do you know how we manage our homeless population? We throw the In prison. We take our veterans and turn them into slaves. In China they give them temporary housing and a job.
I’m not going to sit here and condone the awful shit that China is doing and I do not have any desire to live/suffer there, but if you wanted American citizens to actually believe that we are better than China, then maybe we should actually fucking BE BETTER THAN CHINA.
I’m going to miss TikTok. Some of the smartest, kindest, most generous people I’ve met in my whole life, I met on TikTok.
Honestly, you’re probably better off without tiktok. Short form video is bad for humans, and it’s much worse if it’s not educational
I’m genuinely sorry for the potential friends you’ve lost, but tiktok was not a good thing… An American controlled version wouldn’t be better, I hope you double down on the fediverse
The Greeks complained about the youth using paper instead of writing chalk on stone.
The British complained about the youth reading books.
Things change man
sound advice!
TikTok is banned in the US.
things change, man.
Tik tok is banned what a great observation /s
Short form media is still around and not banned via Instagram snapchat and YouTube shorts.
Do you need it spelled out more? More examples? More details?
Can you find a way to be smarmy?
just pointing out your self-righteous response of “things change” can be equally applied to tiktok getting banned.
if you don’t like it then don’t be so indignant.
O I’m self righteous AND indignant? Man thanks for your virtue signal pointing out MY self righteousness. That’s a SUPER useful skill I’m glad only one person like you exists on the internet. /s
that’s a whole lot of words used to sell tiktok as a fun wholesome platform…
I’m getting strong “both sides are the same” vibes from that wall of text.
tiktok will be the first(of many) apps that will be removed from access within the US. why? to protect the people from outside influence and to protect national defense.
I’m not here to argue about the shit the US has or is doing that’s the same or better or worse than China. I don’t care because, it’s a red herring.
tiktok has a well known and documented history of lying about their privacy protections. on the record they have sold American user data to Chinese backed MICs.
it’s a threat to national security. the end.
You actually tricked yourself into believing this isn’t all about shutting down competition to American companies or stopping people’s (especially young people’s) power to disseminate even remotely left leaning views that could gain traction and threaten the oligarchs.
I mean even the politicians who back this bill state as much, so I’m not sure why you think this is about national defense. American citizens are just under as much threat as before, but now they have one less way to express themselves. Ain’t that great. /s
It can be a corporate move to out competition AND also improve security. These are not mutually exclusive.
You actually tricked yourself into believing this isn’t all about shutting down competition to American companies or stopping people’s (especially young people’s) power to disseminate even remotely left leaning views that could gain traction and threaten the oligarchs.
I didn’t though. and choosing an app to post memes is not a “power to disseminate”. that’s just childish to believe.
I mean even the politicians who back this bill state as much, so I’m not sure why you think this is about national defense. American citizens are just under as much threat as before, but now they have one less way to express themselves. Ain’t that great. /s
lies unless you can prove they stated that in an official capacity, disingenuous at best. Americans have the same amount of ways to express themselves today as they will tomorrow.
you honestly believe that an app will aid you in expressing yourself more? now who’s tricking themselves? be it an app that’s federated, Chinese, corporate, etc; you will never express yourself more than when you do it yourself. all these “apps” are distractions that bring much hand wringing and gnashing of teeth that force you into a little box so you can pretend you made a difference. social media apps are the “thoughts and prayers” of the 21st century.
so please forgive me for not takings your musings on one media platform over another seriously.
to protect the people from outside influence and to protect national defense.
Thats just not true, otherwise we wouldn’t be welcoming a South African who illegally immigrated to the US and has some serious international conflicts-of-interests with US interests control a major social media platform.
Thats just not true, otherwise we wouldn’t be welcoming a South African who illegally immigrated to the US and has some serious international conflicts-of-interests with US interests control a major social media platform.
strawman gonna strawman.
I didn’t vote for him. did you?
you act like it’s the current administration that let’s Elon do whatever he does, but it’s the incoming administration (Trump) that is allowing that.
strawman gonna strawman.
Hardly a strawman! We have a major social media company in the US, that is controlled by a foreigner, for their own, and for foreign interests, and impacting our elections with measureable results.
So, obviously, this move wasn’t done to prevent such a thing from happening, just to prevent certain countries from doing it.
you act like it’s the current administration that let’s Elon do whatever he does, but it’s the incoming administration (Trump) that is allowing that.
Our current admin has done nothing to stop it, and therefore allowing it.
Why are all the US Gov accounts STILL on Twitter?
Hardly a strawman! We have a major social media company in the US, that is controlled by a foreigner, for their own, and for foreign interests, and impacting our elections with measureable results.
are you even taking this seriously? did you not even comprehend what I said or are you just blindly responding hoping for a “gotcha”?
So, obviously, this move wasn’t done to prevent such a thing from happening, just to prevent certain countries from doing it.
not obvious, and just because you say it with more conviction doesn’t make it true.
Our current admin has done nothing to stop it, and therefore allowing it.
by that logic, then you’re just as guilty for allowing them to do nothing. so what gives you the right to complaint about it if you haven’t done anything to stop them?
Why are all the US Gov accounts STILL on Twitter?
there are so many reasons why but you’re just too emotional and inexperienced to see them, but I’ll point out a couple just so you can see how absurd you’re being.
- government moves slow, it takes years to move a major communications component
- red tape slows the process down even more, budgetary concerns, compliance requirements, contractual obligations
- lack of existing choices that have the same scope of reach to Americans
- popularity of the platform for Americans
my advice, sit down and listen before you go off half cocked.
are you even taking this seriously? did you not even comprehend what I said or are you just blindly responding hoping for a “gotcha”?
That aint a “gotya”, that’s proof it has nothing to do with preventing foreign interests from influencing anything. Because we have a foreign interest influencing it already: Musk.
not obvious, and just because you say it with more conviction doesn’t make it true.
So, we have other large social media networks, that are rife with foreign influence, that already influence the US’s internal politics… But yet, banning tiktok was to prevent it from happening?
Its either true, or its not. And in this case, its not true. The sole reason was to keep China specifically, and it only arose because people in the US were learning about shit that US supports. Which the US doesn’t want.
by that logic, then you’re just as guilty for allowing them to do nothing. so what gives you the right to complaint about it if you haven’t done anything to stop them?
Except, they’re not trying to stop foreign influence. They are trying to stop one country, and they only took notice because of news that is damning to the US.
there are so many reasons why but you’re just too emotional and inexperienced to see them, but I’ll point out a couple just so you can see how absurd you’re being.
And… with all your excuses… How come nothing is being done still? Its not new that Elon is a fascist. And it’s not new that Elon is in bed with several foreign interests that are hostile to the US… In fact, its at least 6 years old news at this point.
But tiktok. home of the Pro-Palestinian content is what is being gone after now. Not the Fascists running Twitter, or Facebook… Wonder why that is? Could it be their political donations?
you clearly aren’t taking this discussion seriously or you’re acting in bad faith.
you continue to pound the same useless points again and again with little to no change.
I can only assume that your intent is this and that you’re simply trying to “muddy the water”.
I’m disappointed that you can’t even hold up your argument without repeating yourself like a broken record because you don’t even believe in your own message.
literally the only new angle you have taken is a “pro-palestinian” one, which to be frank tells me all I need to know about you and your goals.
In a way I would feel more comfortable with china having my shit posting data than an American company. At least if china has it, there is slightly less of a chance of them selling the data to a data set deanonymizing company who in turn sells my data linked to me to like an insurance company who jacks my rates because I said their CEO should get Luigi’d. What is china gonna do to me if I never go to China and exist largely outside of their sphere of influence?
Yeah, China doesn’t have jurisdiction over me. I don’t have to worry about the CCP showing up at my door to harass me for what I post. But it’s a very real threat from the US feds.
I mean you do, that’s what the Chinese police operating in the United States thing is about.
No, it’s sinophobic propaganda.
No that actually happened boss.
It isn’t about you. China doesn’t care about you. If they have a computer tracking cell network info of groups of soldiers, they can glean actionable information about US military posture. They can do large-scale data analysis on the information they have and get a startling amount of information. They can also use it as a vector for injecting their favorite form of aggression against the US, soft power. They can’t defeat the US in a fight, but economic and cultural warfare is a vulnerability in the US where the battleground is far more level. The incoming administration has indicated it plans to further increase the US’s military strength, which is functionally untouchable as it stands and is more than ready for the fight nobody plans to bring against it, while weakening the actual fight we are seeing. The US is objectively safer, however little, against the machinations of the CCP with tiktok gone, but it is a band-aid on a firehose. Also, the CCP is clearly ready for that move given the move to Redbook, likely stoked by CCP operators under the guise of “haha let’s go to another Chinese app, that’ll show 'em!” because Americans are very easy to predict and manipulate…they are born and raised to be manipulated. It’s rough, but quite interesting to see play out.
But that’s my point. china doesn’t care about me. American data gobblers care very much about me because I exist as a consumer in their sphere of influence and am far more likely to be exploited by said data.
Do they actually? I mean why can’t I sell my days. If I quit the big tech companies and paid for the equivalent services, could I sell that data at a auction? Not having a go at you, just wondering how much our individual data is actually worth.
Could you sell your own personal data at auction? Maybe. It depends on who is buying the info and what they stand to gain or mitigate their risk if you want it in corpo speak.
Car insurance already does this by giving discounts for having a gps tracker connected to your car. These things give data like location, speed and g forces. If you drive outside of their parameters your rates go up. So your driving data is worth whatever the discount they give and that’s just a fraction of your data.
China would have more of an investment in the information on people they DO care to get than the US would have on any information scraps it could collect from tiktok that it doesn’t already have from hundreds of other sources.
Sounds like a problem for the TRILLION dollar military industrial complex. I’m sure they can spare a few bucks to solve that issue.
After Chinese spyware banned, users of banned Chinese spyware migrate to not-yet banned Chinese spyware.
To be honest if I had a choice between if America was allowed to spy on me or China was allowed to spy on me, at this point I really don’t care. In the past I would have said America spying on me is better than China spying on me if only because fuck China because they have an iron grip on the video game industry. But since I hate short form videos, fuck all of them.
My assumption is everything everywhere on the internet is already assumed to be fair game for spying, scraping, training, whatever.
At this point the interests seem more about serving than gathering information - hence the political games to control specific platforms now.
If you are on TikTok then both can spy on you. Before your traffic can go to china it has to go through the US.
More likely people will just install/update tiktok outside of Google play and apple store.
Rumor has it that tiktok will be unplayable with accounts linked to an American SIM card
That… would be interesting. I wonder how they would implement that, and what else they decide is worth that restriction. Curious to see it play out
Edit: helpful info from Toms Hardware
https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/what-will-happen-if-tiktok-is-banned
You can’t open douyin (the Chinese Tiktok) with a non-Chinese SIM present. So implementing it on the software side would be trivial, if google was to enforce this change software-sided.
The block is trivial to bypass though, all you need to do is use wifi while disabling the SIM slot in your phone settings. My wife is Chinese, and I had to figure that out for her.
Any China market tablet can install douyin even without a SIM, most even come with it installed by default.
Maybe that’s an Android thing?
My wife uses douyin on an American SIM all the time. She had to get someone from the mainland to type a pin for her when she first installed it, but there wasn’t any hardware based attestation on iOS
Possible, yep. We are using two phones anyway, one for all the Chinese crapware and one for the serious stuff, so it doesn’t affect daily life. Still a major nuisance though having to revert to those steps.
Tiktok is going to be paradise without all the US problems in everybody else’s internet. It’s going to be the best social network ever
That is actually a really funny point I hadn’t thought of.
Yeah. Think about it. If you’re English speaker user, sooner or later you get bombarded qith content from the US and people’s solutions for it are always the same : just don’t use insert social media app that much until the elections are over. But the drama bever stops
Tiktok got banned in India some years ago and it doesn’t work if you sideload, or even VPN somehow. But pretty much the next day instagram launched their reels things and people jumped ship without talking about tiktok anymore…
The app will stop working in the US. Doesn’t matter where you get it from.
Isn’t that what a VPN is for?
If someone is savvy enough to install from outside of the normal install mode especially on iOS, wouldn’t that imply that they are at least aware of a VPN?
There are lots of good free vpns out now, so it’s not unlikely. People that spend hours on it can follow a guide for 10 minutes. It will lower the amount of people on it for sure but anybody who wants to can bypass it easily. It will probably mean more for creators and stuff, and their us bank accounts maybe won’t be able to accept money from tk if they’re sanctioned.
I can’t imagine anyone using a VPN just for TikTok. Not to mention free vpns are garbage and don’t work well.
fucking idiots
Why? Cuz Chinese bad? Stolen data bad? I think you don’t understand that there is no safe data. It doesn’t matter who is taking it but your data is owned by someone. If not the Chinese it’s the US government. If not them then you’re phone provider. If you purchase ANYTHING, that store is collecting your data.
Not Chinese bad, Chinese government bad. because the Chinese government has so much control, Chinese companies can’t be trusted. yes, stolen data is bad. I know that data is being stolen anyway, but tiktok has historically been very bad about it. however, i was reffering to them moving from one shitty Chinese platform to another even more shitty and even more Chinese (as in controlled more by the Chinese government) one, when there are platforms that are from places that do not have an authoritarian government able to control any company if they so choose. of course something like instagram (reels) or youtube shorts isn’t much better in terms of data theft, but who has the data does matter no matter how hard you’re coping.
You are just parroting shit you read on the internet and I feel bad for you. You literally have no idea how fucked we all are in terms of our data being stolen. I guess you want to be the one who determine who fucks you. Well TikTok users are doing the same
You are essentially virtue signaling that you are so much more security minded than everyone because you “safeguard your data”. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but our oligarch owns our data and is selling it to the highest bidder. The fact that you own a phone/computer means your data has already been bought and sold.
I don’t get it, are they going to steal my bank login? Like what’s so bad about knowing I liked a fried meme?
It’s more than just what you do in the app though. Check out some of the data any random website can find out about you here: privacy.net/analyzer/
Expand that into an app, given lots of permissions, that is tied to your phone number and email account. Given enough time and logging, it knows where you live and work, when you commute and sleep, every WiFi or mobile network you connect to and where they are located. This metadata is linked to your account and in-app activity. They have this data for you, your friends, colleagues, that weird guy you see on the bus every day… Right now, the app just uses all this to influence “your algorithm” (side note: this is also why people think some apps are actively ‘listening’ to conversations). But imagine a case where the govt owner of the app wants to start pushing a specific narrative, gradually swaying opinions or sowing the seeds of discourse, reinforcing it with the artificial echo chamber that is your new algorithm. /TedTalkThey are stealing data that can be (and is, often) used to track you across the entire internet. many social media platforms (again, especially tiktok) use this data to straight up manipulate people into spending more time on their platform and having views that align with the interests of the company. this is especially bad if the interests of the company are really the interests of an authoritarian government that is blatantly hostile to other countries unprovoked.
Your statement applies whether we’re talking about American or Chinese companies. One of these countries has affordable groceries, the other has school shootings.
But yeah yeah “what about Tianeman Square, and Taiwan?” OK sure, fine. What about police brutality and the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST?
People keep making this argument comparing TikTok to American social media companies when talking about data.
What is hard to understand? Americans are fine with other Americans or American companies having their data. Americans are not fine with China having their data.
It is pretty simple.
I’d rather the Chinese government have my data than the US government. The US government has a lot more power over me.
This sentiment will be the downfall of America. Maybe that’s what you want. Not me.
It isn’t just about data, but influence.
Okay so China bad, America good?
That’s one way to look at it, not my intent but if that’s how you took it, enjoy.
More like, foreign control of my mental state is bad.
It really just sounds like unintentional racism to me. A vague dislike and distrust of foreigners. Nobody able to prove the Chinese intentions are any worse than the American gov’s intentions.
I agree mas data collection is wrong, but if we’re gonna be upset, it’s gotta cover the whole topic, not just china
What if that’s what they were talking about? That’s it’s idiotic to ban it given everything you just said.
Why try to hype this as a trend?
because “red note” paid them to?
Rednote is very cool. Very nice people and no ads. It’s almost weird that I haven’t seen any ads, even for Chinese products.
Starting to notice all these American apps are full of trolls, racists, and ads. So many people parroting shit they read on Faux News about China bad and about safeguarding their data. There is no threat.
The oligarchy is the same in China and the US. Corporate powers and billionaires running everything. The moment we as people realize that borders are made up and governments are meant to divide us the better we’ll be as a planet. Might even learn something from each other.
Anecdotally my daughter is learning mandarin in school and I’m taking this opportunity to learn some and bond with her over it. Very cool.
Reject modernity, everyone go back to
forum boardsusenet lolI read online somewhere, that you will still be able to have Tiktok. It will only be removed from the App stores. Then gradually faze out the site itself later. So, you have some time to get on the site. It won’t be completely offline on January 19.
I’m kind of surprised by the response in the comments. Generally I think Lemmy is anti Tik Tok and I don’t understand why. You don’t have to like the shit but why do people have to be so negative about what other people do with their free time?
I think people here are just trying to be edgy and hate tik tok because it’s popular.
I’m in the camp that thinks in 25 years there will be some regretful studies about how attention span demolishing apps like TikTok and yt shorts fucked civilizations progress for the next 150 years. I’d agree with you if I only cared about my lifespan and what happens inside of it. Some people want to see progress across the centuries even if we don’t get to live it. TikTok is a sign of regression, whether there is good content or not.
That is a terrible mentality that is essentially “your generation bad, my generation better”.
People have been saying the same thing about any new technology. They said it about phones, they said it about tv, they’ll say it about literally anything. To boil down a generations problems to an app is ridiculous.
I’ll tell you this for nothing, not many kids know how to knap flint any more, and there’s the truth!
Sure but after phones and TV we raised gays, disabled, and the mentally ill out of the mud, transformed nations, inspired by inclusive initiatives humanity went through 50 years of progress.
After 20 years of social media we’ve full regressed to 1938. I think if you look around, there is some pretty obvious proof, society’s critical thinking has been intentionally dismantled by these social media algorithms and the bad actors that manipulate facts around them.
Congratulations you’ve been successfully brainwashed by Fox News. I’m not even going to address everything wrong with your comment. May God have mercy on your soul.
Literally never watched a second of fox news in my life but ok. I was just sarcastically grasping at straws cause that’s what you did. There are measurable impacts on society caused by social media but if you wanna ignore that go ahead.
Lemmy is Anti-Tiktok, but Lemmy is even more Anti-America
Tiktok is Chinese spyware, that’s been caught again and again to send user data to servers in China. How can anyone in their right mind not be outspoken and negative about this shit?
Users leaving tiktok in favor of xhs are totally insane.
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China treats data as bad as the US, I want neither of them to have access.
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man, keep these hits coming!
I’m building a database of y’all that keep trying to say “both sides are bad” just to track what your other opinions are over time.
don’t worry, I’ll keep the data on a server outside the US so you’ll feel safer.
This is so funny because it’s suppose to sound scary but no one actually gives a fuck.
you think I said it to be scary?
no. I didn’t say it to be scary. I said it because it’s the only way to identify platform manipulation.
like users that flip from one extreme to the other from comment to comment…
one second they say nobody cares about privacy and the next time they bemoan how the oligarchy owns us and we can’t stop it(a clear cry for help if I ever heard one).
I want to track users like that so we can have a clearer understanding of who is abusing the platform.
I understand it perfectly, if american companies harvest their data, their govt is only a step from having it, and companies over here have immediate use of that data.
If the chinese companies have it, the chinese govt has it, and then what? Is china gonna prosecute us internationally with the info? At minimum they are making the US companies and govt crawl to china for the data they so desperately want.
Like, the US gets more use of data on US citizens than China would. Maybe if the concern was improving the security of american apps and data I would see the point, but seeing how many american companies continue to get away with it, it is blatant “America Good, others Bad”
But why give your data to anyone? I totally understand the argument that you don’t want your own government to have it, but willingly surrendering it to another nation is sketchy at best. With Lemmy, Mastodon and Pixelfed there are sufficient tracking-free alternatives with solid enough apps for most use cases.
Fair, but alot of people are going to wind up on a corporate social media anyways, and if they aren’t willing to jump over to more private options this is a mitigation of the damage and simultaneously is an act of defiance, so while not the best choice, I still regard it as better than, say, anything Meta owns. So I feel this shouldnt be beaten down on so hard, but rather used as a chance to say “Yeah, that is a step, but here are some better options”. Talking down about their choice on a platform they already aren’t on as if it is somehow worse than what is being pushed on them is just screaming into the void.
It really puzzles me that many people in this thread that don’t know to what degrees an authoritarian country censors their dada, never lived in one, and can’t read their language, somehow think giving your personal information to that one is better. Being able to discuss such things is already a privilege. If your bag has to be searched twice a day just to be able to commute, I thought you will at least feel uncomfortable.
Agree. I lived in China until last August and left after about 7 years, my wife is Chinese, I speak Chinese. Yet I was alienated on a near constant basis (comes with not looking Chinese, I guess).
Luckily I avoided most of the bag searches by driving my own car (and admittedly, at least where I was at the searches on subway stations were half assed at best), but it sure is a nuisance to be under constant surveillance.
“NOOOO the foreign man who’s been fucking me is gone, I MUST find a new foreign man to fuck me or I will die!” -Idiot humans
foreign man
Why „foreign man”? Why not „Capitalist”? Or „Megacorporation”?
Foreign people are not the only ones who are fucking you over.
Why „foreign man”? Why not „Capitalist”? Or „Megacorporation”?
In this specific case, the man fucking them over is banned because it’s foreign. The position of domestic man fucking them over is not vacant so they only need to find a replacement for the position of foreign man fucking them over.
The foreign capitalist/imperialist app ran by a despot who approved this app for me to useeeeeee.
OK then, foreign communist megacorporation & government
Communist mega corporation and government? What strain is that
The China kind.
“We may disclose any of the Information We Collect to respond to subpoenas, court orders, legal process, law enforcement requests, legal claims, or government inquiries, and to protect and defend the rights, interests, safety, and security of the Platform, our affiliates, users, or the public. We may also share any of the Information We Collect to enforce any terms applicable to the Platform, to exercise or defend any legal claims, and comply with any applicable law.”
Wow, a very normal, and widespread TOS part. Which almost EVERY SINGLE COMPANY has. And whatever yammer yer were doing with “communist mega corporation” is also very strange. I hope for the better of yer.
No.
Many companies in the western world will not freely give your information to law enforcement and will even actively fight it. We saw that with apple, we saw that with signal and specifically in germany, we had some other smaller profile cases that have fought law enforcement.
In China, companies are forced to give the government free access to all of its information without any subpoena or anything needed. Which is why many western companies can’t do business in china themselves without having a Chinese partner company that handles it for them (Blizzard needed NetEase, for example)
Apple?? You used apple as an example? Apple that finally settled the lawsuit where siri recorded conversations and they sent them off to third parties? Comical.
Taiwanese communist? What world do you live in?
Meet the new app, same as the old app.
This is the third story I’ve seen today that was basically “Tiktok users flee service to other chinese service app you’ve never heard of”
So basically the usa banned tiktok, and now there’s 3 other tiktoks, all connecting the same amount of data for china, just through 3 different services instead of 1.
Sounds about right, From my understanding, they singled out TikTok instead of addressing the actual problem they claim to care about.
[Edit, another comment says its any app with 1million users. So now there’s just going to be a hundred TikTok clones all under the same umbrella just different names.]
If they addressed the general problem it would also affect US social media platforms and they want to continue doing that when American companies do it.
Due to the network effect, having a hundred apps instead of one is a big negative.
To be fair, the law is broad enough that it could target these other services as well pretty easily.
The law is broad enough they could target Discord.
That seems like a bit of a stretch since it’s US based company. I guess some of its investors could be based in China though.
Russia is on the list too. But that’s the point. They can declare that an owner is compromised, no matter what citizenship they hold.
your edit sounds like the fediverse model
I suppose. I was thinking more of 1 Chinese company just spinning up a hundred copy/paste apps.
XiaoHongShu is much older than tiktok, it started shortly after facebook, though resembles more a mix of Twitter and Instagram.
XiaoHongShu was founded in 2013, Facebook was founded in 2004…
Your sense of time is a bit warped…
Honestly, I don’t even believe these articles. At some point it just starts to sound like they are making things up.
I mean, this is real easy to fact check. Open whichever playstore you prefer and sort by most downloaded. Red note and 8 will be up there.
