I’m shocked fruits and vegetables are even on the same line as meat and dairy. Big Agri didn’t pay them enough
Also health killer and cancer supporter
Isn’t his brain a land of worms and mercury?
It’s fuckin’ Dune in there.
There is nothing spicy in there.
He’s the smartest man in generations. He said we don’t need vaccines and now I’m ok to eat roadkill without worrying about parasites. What a hero.
My dad almost died from polio. Vaccines are a major part of my existing (my mother got vaccinated against it). Fuck this guy.
I WANT A BRAINWORM. LET’S LEAVE A DEAD BEAR IN CENTRAL PARK AND TELL THAT RACIST SHITHEAD ROSANNE ABOUT IT!
I didn’t know human can be so red and unhealthy looking while still being alive, and this is the dude responsible for making health decisions on massive scale? Lmao Americans
Nugle blessings keep him alive. Dude looks like he wearing a humab skin suit. Underneath its all nurgles rot. Even sounds like it.
He doesn’t die because his cancer got aneurysms.
he also had a history of HEROIN abuse, plus parasitic infection, and hes currently juiced up.
What would his poison be, beer? Whisky? Vodka? All of the above?
actually anti-parasitic medication and heroin.
Policy aside, who is even using the food funnel, formerly the pyramid, to guide their diets?
IIRC government recommendations can impact the composition of school lunches.
School lunches, hospital food, nursing homes, rehabs, etc though many of those will quietly break from the pyramid and just go with a nutritionists guidance. But that’s a big part of why these industries bribe people like rfk. It gets them huge amounts of locked in buyers eating their product because they have to
It’s also quackery.
almost all nutritionist generated information is shite
No, don’t you get it? The worms whisper to him. He knows the truth! You have to blend beef, fine Argentinian beef, in a blender then inject it into the top of your peen. If you don’t have a peen, take the cow peen and staple it to your face, then inject. Then you will be stronk like robber fucking lies kernedy junior! -a brainworm, probably
The worms are trying to spread themselves through undercooked meat! RFK is merely their mouthpiece to the world! They know bigger portions mean more chance of raw middle bits! Wake up sheeple!
They’ve taken full control of the human meat vehicle!
his skull is mostly filled with worms, more than brain.
Are you suggesting we cook rfk je? Because; I’m on board.
I mean look, we’ve all seen the documentaries. If we don’t do it now, the worms are just going to reanimate his corpse and take infection matters into their own han…. Tails?
Anyway, it’s just pragmatic.
worms also increase longevity and health, almost all the other kennedys died from some disease.
It’s literally a South Park joke from a couple years ago too…
Cartman flipped the pyramid, just like RFK Jr did in real life.
Focusing on protein and healthy fats over carbohydrates is not quackery.
An insistence on meat/dairy, that’s quackery, but Americans in general eat too many shit tier carbohydrates and fats and not enough protein.
Edit: this is Lemmy. Want fiber and protein? Eat some fuckin’ BEANS.
It’s also worth pointing out that the sugar industry spent decades and billions of dollars convincing Americans that fats were much worse than they actually are, which led to its own terrible consequences. There are healthy amounts of fat that a lot of boomers are still terrified of.
These food guidelines have always been more about economics than health anyways. It changes with the political influence of the various agricultural industries in America.
We eat more than enough protein. What we lack is roughage. We’re all in on that ultra processed white bread and corn chip stuff with lots of pasta. The main foods we need to eat more of remains as it always has: vegetables and to a lesser extent unprocessed fruits. We also should shift how we consume starches to healthier variants like baked potatoes. But seriously, it’s fiber, we don’t eat enough fiber
I don’t disagree with that at all. Fiber is massively important.
I suppose what I’m trying to say is, given a constant calorie budget, people would be healthier if they shifted their proportions of calories towards protein and good fats and away from carbohydrates and bad fats. This does not seem like quackery to me, it seems like sound dietary advice.
This is broadly true, and the majority of the information in the new dietary guidelines is more or less in line with what we know already and what was recommended before. Protein is a great energy source that keeps you fuller longer, and is especially important if you’re active. But the new recommended range of protein intake is ridiculous. 1.2-1.6 grams per lb of body weight is well above the range that is helpful for bodybuilders, much less average sedentary Americans. Many will meet this with red meat consumption, which has a number of negative health and climate effects that the new dietary guidelines have nothing to say about.
You also really do need fats and carbohydrates for a number of vital body processes, and I think unless they’re active and being VERY careful, someone eating 1.6 g/lb of protein will struggle to get enough fat and carbs without introducing a caloric surplus.
That’s frankly an insane amount of protein. I have been getting into weight lifting the past few years and I target 1g protein per kilogram bodyweight. This got me from 165lbs (75kg) to 205lbs (93kg) on a 6’3” (1.9m) frame and it seems to be well supported by numerous scientific studies.
It really depends on your activity level and what your goals are. To quote from your own source "If you’re actively building muscle with strength or resistance training, more protein can help,” said Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian, a Tufts University nutrition expert. “Otherwise, you’re getting enough.”
Most Americans are getting enough protein in their diet because most Americans are less active than they should be and are already eating more than they should be.
Diets should be built around an individuals needs, though fiber is one of the things virtually no one is getting enough of unless your eating like 5 cups of lentils everyday.
I already eat beans, cannot afford anything else 😭
eating more meat than veggies and fibers has been shown to increase chances of colon cancer.
I don’t disagree, but veggies and fibers aren’t macronutrients in our current system of nutrition. Fats, carbs, proteins. Of those three, it’s wiser to prioritize proteins over the rest. This is all I’m saying.
Could you cite the study, please?
That is true, the sugar (and corn,) industry at a minimum has run influence operations demonizing fat for the harms of sugar.
The body actually does not feel full until it gets enough fat, the stomach tastes the contents, if you have no fat you take in way more calories. Also, sugar is half fructose and half glucose. Glucose is good, used as is, that is what they put in hospital IV drips. Fructose gets metabolized in your liver into fat, then used, but the body does not recognize it as a food. It does not contribute to a full feeling.
Every time these dumb motherfuckers get thirsty they swill down pop, with the equivalent of 16 teaspoons of sugar in a 16 ounce. It is a major, if not the largest, factor in obesity.
Fructose could not even be utilized in human ancestors in the monkey days, it was not until a cold wind blew over africa for centuries that our monkey ancestors got the ability to turn that fructose into fat, to use for the periods when we did not have fresh fruit on hand every day all day. According to a national geographic article titled Sugar, now not findable on enshitified search engines because fuck you, (and me, the consumer not a personal dig.)
Are you sure about that last bit with the monkeys? Most fruits contain fructose, it’d be weird if money body just discarded a perfectly good source of backup energy.
Also your liver can metabolise fructose straight into glucose too if needed. Obviously not as fast as eating glucose, but if you were a monke, it might be pretty useful. In today’s sedentary society it’s of course more harmful, but I don’t think fructose itself is inherently bad. We just live lifestyles and have diets where it has little to no place.
I am sure I read it in a national geographic article titled sugar over ten years ago. I have been made aware the liver processing into fat and body breaking it down is more complicated than that, that is interesting it can make it straight into glucose.
Before the cold snap, the monkeys were in tropics, fruit is constantly on the trees, tropical forests are completely different than temperate ones too, there is incredible diversity in trees down there, up here it’s the same few trees, they might not have 2 of the same trees on an acre. They flower differently, figs in the tropics for instance, they bear fruit year round, constant. So there was no need to use the fructose, I would be interested to learn more about it though, as other animals can use it and when and how they were able to as we know. There was no shortage of fruit in those tropical forests, limits on populations were likely more from disease and predation than food shortages.
But national geographic is a reliable source, or was, back then. Haven’t seen them in a while, not really since news corporation bought them, I know they sold them off later but that’s when I quit them.
he probably going to recommend it eaten raw, he wants to replenish his worms some how.
Yes but only the rich countries are supposed to eat like this. The rest can eat rice or whatever.
Did this article falsely assume that all people on earth are equal and should eat like this?
Tss tsss…
There are almost zero Americans that are protein deficient. Yet people here freak out about vegetarians and vegans like they’re going to die of lack of protein while ignoring common vegan protein sources.
You could cut about half of the meat from old food group suggestions, including the Michele Obama one (which was more healthy and reasonable), and still be getting more than enough protein.
God these people are so anti-science and so fucking dumb. Men all desperately trying to look like roided out freaks.
I’m no vegan or vegetarian, but I’ve been eating way less meat and more veggies lately since I found a really delicious veggie stew recipe. I’ve made it weekly for meal prep almost 4 weeks in a row now. There are many days recently where I go without eating meat at all. I just got some blood work back from my yearly physical and I had too much protein in my blood.
I actually get more protein from the veggie stew than I was getting with my old diet.
For those that wanted the recipe:
- 1 onion, chopped into half inch strips
- 3 celery sticks, diced
- one pack of baby bella mushrooms
- one parsnip, finely diced
- two zucchini, cut into small cubes
- 4-5 large red potatoes, cubed with skin on
- 1 pound of carrots, cut into chips, or one pound of baby carrots
- 1 can of light red kidney beans, drained and washed
- 1 can fire roasted tomatoes
- 4 cups of veggie broth
- 1 tablespoon of lemon juice (optional)
- 1 can of tomato paste (optional)
- 2 tablespoons of olive oil
- 1/4 teaspoon of cayenne pepper
- 1/4 teaspoon of smoked paprika
- 1/4 teaspoon of ground black pepper
- 1/2 teaspoon of Italian seasoning
- 3/4 teaspoon of dried garlic
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In a large pot on medium high heat, add olive oil, onions, celery, mushrooms. Saute until softened.
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Pour in veggie broth, lemon juice, and spices. Mix well.
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Pour in the rest of the veggies and kidney beans. Mix well.
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Pour in fire roasted tomatoes on top. DO NOT MIX, and do not dispose of the can.
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Fill the can from the fire roasted tomatoes with water and pour into pot. Do not stir.
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Cover the pot with a lid, lower heat to medium, and simmer for between 30-45 minutes, stirring occasionally.
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Optional - add in tomato paste and stir well.
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Add additional spices or salt to taste.
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Serve with noodles. I prefer those small middle rings.
Only a hero would go to such lengths
You can’t just say that and not share the veggie stew recipe.
Added the recipe as a response to my original message.
Thank you!
Seconded
Thirded
Fourthed
Fifthed
I’m commenting in hope that vegan stew recipe drops and I get a notification.
Added the recipe as a reply to my original message.
You are a good person, thank you very much.
I’m going to enjoy that recipe responsibly.
Americans lack fiber, the protein bushit has gotten out of hand
Adding to what you said, I’ll just drop this here.
Thanks for the link. I’m personally not even vegan and only what I call “half-vegetarian.” I was pushing for full vegetarian until I was diagnosed with cancer which actually does require increased protein intake. I just think it’s dumb to ignore reality that the majority of US citizens are far from hurting for protein and that there are plenty of healthy vegan protein options from nuts to tofu to seitan and more.
the very first reference in that list is an outdated position by the and. it expired five years ago. it’s likely some of those other links also rely on this now expired position.
I wouldn’t take everything there at face value. you will need to actually click and read every link critically.
do you have to disclose your Burger King affiliate status?
Hey, if you remember, the last time you whined about this, I appended the most recent 2025 position to the bottom of the list – just to soothe your oh-so-good-faith concern that the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics might’ve decided between 2016 and now that “actually, modern medical research is bullshit and plant-based dieting is unhealthy”.
It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes […] Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. —Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (2016)
It is the position
no, it’s not. it used to be.
your strawman is bad faith
do you have the little cardboard crown on now?
Well said
Men
This got sexist fast.
Sexy men eat veggies
I originally read this as: Men, this got sexy fast.
And I must, say I support men eating wholsome veggies, its sexy af, roast it for me please
I don’t trust health advice from a man that looks like a plastic tomato.
Plastic sundried tomato.
a OVVERIPE tomato that is spoiling.
This guy always looks like he’s about to lay an egg from his mouth in his photos.
worms do releases hundreds of thousands eggs each day.
🤣🤣🤣
Punchable face.
I do sincerely hope someone recognizes him and then spits in his coffee before serving.
This type of stuff is unironically going to shorten the lifespan of millions of people. The keto diet is so absurd. If I wanted to invent something that technically followed the rules but was wildly unhealthy, I doubt I could come up with something as absurd as the chaffle (a waffle made of cheese), but I know people who’ve actually eaten them. Once I was visiting my family and started snacking on some chips, but something felt off, so I checked. It was literally just melted crispy cheese. We’re going to be the first generation to have a lower lifespan than our parents.
that all sounds so disgusting
i’m really glad i get nauseous from too much fat and sugar… makes it really easy to avoid stuff like that
it does make it kinda difficult to visit the US and see friends though: anywhere we eat is a minefield of fat, sugar, and salt that leaves me just wanting a damn salad to cleanse my palette but even then it probably has fricken ranch on it or a weirdly salty vinaigrette
its good short term, but never a long term thing.
This is not a problem unique to keto. Plenty of diets have enough loopholes for you to technically follow them while being incredibly unhealthy. There’s a reason the term “junk food vegan” exists.
“Keto” itself has a ton of different forms, but the main goal is to move away from processing food into glucose and towards processing food into ketones. That effectively means cutting carbohydrates. A lot of these pretty much everyone agrees are bad for you: sugar, corn syrup, starches. That isn’t unique to keto. What is unique is cutting out other carbs. Fruits, and some vegetables (I’m using casual categories here), have been bred over thousands of years to have a ton of sugar in them. Grains like wheat, oats, and rice are probably the most significant and weird things that keto cuts: these have been efficient sources of calories for humans for thousands of years, the foundations of civilization, yet are not compatible with ketosis.
In order to maintain the same caloric intake, that means increasing fat and protein (technically alcohol too lol). If you increase saturated fats (dairy, red meat, coconut and palm oils) that’s unhealthy. The healthy way to do it is to go for unsaturated fats: fish, poultry, seeds, nuts, most other vegetable oils. It also happens that red meats are the ones that are significantly worse for the environment and economy. Seafood and poultry certainly have their own environmental impacts of course, and are more expensive per calorie than grains. If you can stand to get away from Western cuisine, there are plenty of insect options that are great sources of protein (shrimps is bugs after all). But articles like this (I can’t confirm because it’s behind a paywall) almost always project out the worst-case scenario that all of this increased protein intake is coming from beef, the worst source. Beef and pork should absolutely be reduced to luxury items people eat on rare occasions, or perhaps not at all. Fish and poultry can definitely be part of a sustainable future: there are a lot of conditions like epilepsy that BENEFIT from getting more protein from animal sources.
That’s all just talking about macronutrients. The other components are micronutrients and fiber. Leafy green low-carb veggies like lettuce, kale, spinach, broccoli, brussel sprouts. Dietary fiber is listed under carbohydrates on US Nutrition Facts but does not count towards the “Net Carbs” that someone on keto should be looking at. Mushrooms are good too.
Someone can eat nothing but Oreos and still be vegan, and someone can eat nothing but beef jerky and cheese and still be keto.
Yeah, I understand it. And I know the general idea is to make it easier for your body to enter fat burning mode “ketosis” which iirc means that if you hit a calorie deficit (the goal of any diet) instead of feeling weak and hungry, you’ll feel mostly normal. But I just don’t buy it because even with this supposed biologic hack, I’ve seen plenty of people it hasn’t worked for. Carbs and protein both have 4 calories per gram, fat has 8. When animals want to gain tons of weight, ex. hibernation or whales building blubber, they eat tons of fat.
Even the “bad” diets of the 90s didn’t want to cut fat out, they just wanted to reduce it. But with keto, supposedly even just a few carbs will make your body seek energy there and not enter ketosis, so lots of people try to avoid literally any carbs at all, and if they don’t lose weight, they blame it all on that one 100 calorie slice of wonder bread. It gives the diet a strange cult-like quality where you can almost always blame it not working on people not adhering to it strongly enough.
If it works for you, especially if you do it in a more sustainable way, who am I to tell you how to live your life. But for most people I’ve seen, it doesn’t, so I’m still a skeptic.
I know the general idea is to make it easier for your body to enter fat burning mode “ketosis” which iirc means that if you hit a calorie deficit
That is not the goal of keto at all. People can choose to add calorie counting, but that’s an additional step. Calories are a unit of thermal energy. It’s how much energy is released when the food is burned (more technically, oxidized). The most basic way to measure this is to burn it in a way that directs the thermal energy to a container of water, where it’s then pretty straightforward to measure the temperature change and do the math.
As a vague heuristic to measure the energy in food this is… Sometimes useful, sometimes not. What your body actually does is break down carbs into glucose, and things like protein, fat, and alcohol to ketones. Those eventually get broken down further into Adenosine triphosphate, or ATP, which is the basic fuel source your cells mostly use to do things. This is not the same as an oxidation reaction.
More importantly though, when you reduce caloric intake you risk some negative outcomes, which is where we start to mix between physiological and psychological. A lot is based on genetics: if you are lucky enough to have the right genes, you can reduce caloric input or increase caloric output and see weight loss results. Unfortunately, a lot of people like myself don’t have such genes. Instead, when we reduce calories are bodies starts to use processed designed to survive famines- slowing the metabolism, reducing the amount of energy expended, storing as much energy as possible (as fat). If you stick to it long enough, you will lose weight eventually. The problem is that your body makes it harder to stick to it.
Hunger is one of the most basic, primal driving factors baked into the relationship between our body and mind. Caloric restriction can make people hungrier. It causes a lot of diets to fail. It also makes it hard to keep the weight off.
What keto does is gets your body used to treating fat as a source of energy to be used rather than stored for later. So I don’t have to count my calories, I just make sure that what I’m eating has relatively few carbs. Personally, I prefer protein-heavy foods over fat-heavy, although some keto people would argue that doesn’t count as strictly “keto” anymore. It’s not because I’m a gymbro who needs protein, but because protein makes me feel full and satisfied. I don’t have to count calories. I don’t have to be hungry. I don’t have to keep track of every little thing that I eat and think about whether I can afford to have a drink at the end of the night. Compared to caloric restriction (weight watchers), the minute-to-minute decisions are way easier and the day-to-day decisions go away.
It’s not for everyone of course. The academic research, like with every other diet, is mixed. When you get off keto you’ll probably gain some weight back. I’m sure there are some medical conditions that it makes worse. My wife happens to have a lot of issues that are improved by keto (epilepsy and PCOS. Kidney stones too, though the research on that is more mixed).
Isn’t that still with the goal of consuming less energy? We can treat a calorie as some strange artefact, but burning is the best way to break all bonds and release energy, and water is a common substance that holds heat well. It’s all basic thermodynamics. Any diet that works is some variation of eat less, move more. It isn’t just you whose metabolism and hunger change with weight, it’s everybody. And it goes both ways. If you start to gain weight, your metabolism speeds up. And the longer you’ve been at your current weight, the more your body resists change.
But regardless, whether it makes your body burn fat more easily so you don’t stay hungry or whether it burns a different kind of energy, it’s all an alleged trick to make calorie dense foods make you lose weight. I appreciate that it may work for you, but I’ve seen it not work enough that I wouldn’t recommend it.
And final thoughts. Sometimes I might have to limit myself to stay healthy, but I really like not having to ever give anything up, just to have everything in moderation.
No shit, it promotes products of the Trump syndicate. It smells very badly like corruption.
I don’t pray. I’ve never wished for anyone to get cancer. I find myself doing both here, now, for RFK Jr.
