I made a post recently, wondering what we could do to get a larger userbase on lemmy. Many people kept saying “why larger? This size is good”, even though I stated my reason for wanting a larger userbase in the OP.
This post, right here, also shows a benefit of having a larger userbase and something I miss from reddit: actual research scientists coming to the comments explaining the paper and whatnot. I think decreasing the distance from research scientists to the general public is a good idea. And I want them on lemmy. I would love for lemmy to be a little bit less memes and a little bit more… Serious.
But a larger community also means people like that conspiracy poster coming here and degrading the quality of the conversation. It’s a double edged sword. I think we should encourage quality user growth over just quantity. Of course, that’s easier said than done. But my point is that growth in and of itself is a poor measure of success: we want growth of competent users.
Ok, but having more than 3 responders per post in less common communities would be great. Like, not even the writing or art comms get more than that.
Of course, I don’t disagree. I just want to encourage us to seek good comments. You could fill the comment section with 100 low quality posts and it wouldn’t meaningfully improve things.
Sure, as long as we allow good comments with opposing views. We don’t want just an echo chamber filled with good comments. It might sound good but it isn’t healthy long-term.
You clearly believe exactly what everybody else believes. Is it hard to do that?
I was in the hospital with myocarditis after recieving the first shot. Got better after a long recovery. Got the second and third shot as soon as I could. A little hospital times seems worth it when the alternative is permanent brain, lung and heart damage.
I think this could also be generalized into something like “Conservative struggles with colors other than black, white”
1.7 million children were studied.
No they weren’t. This is statistics.
Their cases were studied, not the children themselves.
Top 1% poster and a top 1% commenter. Reminds me of the quote: “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes”
They aren’t struggling with comprehension, they are being deliberate about misrepresenting the facts.
Yeah, we should invent new words for this, they aren’t stupid, they weaponise stupidity for their own gains.
That word is disinformation
They know it’s a lie, they’re posting it anyway because they think the ends justify the means
What they post/say is misinformation but the act of doing it knowingly, “shamelessly trying to fuck you over” is what I can come up with.
misinformation is posting incorrect information accidentally
disinformation is posting incorrect information intentionally
Yeah you’re right, but “disinforming” just doesn’t sound like bad enough.
Most likely both
Yeah, they (OP or whoever told OP about it) probably started reading the paper with a predetermined conclusion and read until they found the data that “supported” it.
They “did their own research”
Yeah, this. They don’t want to know facts. They are actively resisting reality. Doesn’t matter that ~40 people per million per two doses had adverse effects to the vaccine and most likely recovered just fine while hundreds of thousands got sick and died from the disease and who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
hundreds of thousands got sick
An estimated 7 million deaths since 2020. About 250 deaths a week in the US on an ongoing basis. And that is just deaths, not serious sickness or long term consequences after being sick.
who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
We dont know, but we can estimate. COVID-19 vaccinations averted between 1.4 to 4 million deaths during 2020-2024.
There is concrete evidence that young men should not have been boosted if they had already been infected.
Show the concrete evidence.
There is nothing “Concrete” at all in your claim. In fact, the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination. If we actually interpret what the data says we should note that the largest increases in risk is after the second dose, and points out that timing of the vaccination is probably a factor. In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated. If anything, waiting longer after a covid infection or not giving the second dose would more closely align any adverse effects with the general population.
the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination.
I did not mention the value of vaccination
In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated.
And in no way did I say that. I said young men should not be boosted, I.e. second dose.
I did not mention the value of vaccination
That’s literally the whole point of trials for vaccines, to determine if they work and what the side effects there are if any. Public health officials then use that data to determine if, how and when to distribute the vaccines based on of those risks of the vaccine outweigh the public health risks of the continued diseas spread
In a global pandemic when millions of people are dying, a 1/10000 risk of reduced quality of life that helps 10/10000 people not die of the pandemic disease and another 100/10000 not experience reduced quality of life from the pandemic disease is pretty easy numbers to say “yes roll it out” because the benefits far outweigh the risks
No, you said there was “concrete evidence” that “young men should not have been boosted”.
That is opinion, and the study makes no corroborating claim to not vaccinate or boost.
i remember the days before conservatives antivaxxers took over the sub, right befor trump was elected. you can actually have a conversation with them, without having them doubling down.
This is a hobby with flat Earthers, MAGA, and antivaxxers. They make weird shit up and then pretend to believe it. Numerology. Conspiracy theories. They dont think there is any harm in it and like to troll “the libs” and debate them to waste everyone’s time. The bad thing is that you get a portion of them that start truly believing these tales … we have a few dozen holding US offices now.
i had covid-19 recently , in sept the extremely painful sore throat, i believe it partially triggered my background atopic dermatitis an early flareup.
Covid has been linked with all kinds of immune, inflammation and skin issues. Recently there have been investigations into a possible correlation of people with AD and increased risk of infection and/or symptoms. I’d say trust your instincts. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40219685/
also funny thing is during the whole fever/symptomatic phase the dermatitis rash “turned off” a sign is when the dead dry skin starts flaking instead of being bumpy or red, and my skin was very smooth. it did suppress the immune system long enough for that to happen, i think its the rebound effect. i do hear that some peoples AD gets worst under COVID, and others just shuts off like mines ,temporarily.
Super interesting. Maybe your immune system wasn’t so much suppressed, but just too occupied with everything else being on fire to focus on only your skin… But then why would it get worse for other people instead? Both COVID and bodies are really annoyingly complicated.
The sub’s mods deleted the comment too. I see it’s every bit as much of a cesspool as it always was over there
i remember the days when anti-vaxxers or conservatives hadnt taken over the sub. before it turned into a full political conspiracy sub.
You know the paradox of tolerance? The idea that if you believe in tolerance, then you have to be intolerant of intolerance.
I think this general concept is applicable in many areas. Like, it makes sense to be nonviolent except in preventing more violence.
And in this case, we should all make a giant conspiracy to destroy the places where conspiracy theorists talk to each other.
The paradox disappears the moment, you handle tolerance differently.
Handle it like a social contract that everyone is automatically part of. All are tolerated until they stop tolerating people who are also part of the contract.
Whoever stops tolerating people who are part of the contract loses their “being tolerated privileges”.
Lol
Funny, but probably not very fitting to this case, as luckily non of the children in the study pool died:
Across all analyses, there were no COVID-19-related deaths, and fewer than seven COVID-19-related critical care admissions.
That plane should have gotten the chicken pox vaccine!
This sums it up perfectly.
I’m just looking at that “top 1% poster” label next to their name realizing that there’s no way that anybody in that particular sub is going to believe a qualified professional over their own personal biases.
Here is the study under discussion:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40985520/And here is the reddit comment thread:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1qdxa5z/17_million_children_were_studied_the_results/And just in case anyone wants it - not that there is much value in it - here is the link that was posted on reddit:
https://x.com/ValerieAnne1970/status/2011141377095246302Weird that the author who responded then deleted their account.
Not weird if they started getting harassed about it.
Thank you.
If COVID infection did increase Myocarditis risk by 40x, wouldn’t you expect to see it in the results?
It’s rare so it probably still makes sense to vaccinate, especially considering the lives saved by herd immunity. How many kids were orphaned because their parents didn’t do so well?
If COVID infection did increase Myocarditis risk by 40x, wouldn’t you expect to see it in the results?
Not if it were 1< in 100,000 to start with.
Cheers!
Why hidde the usernames? It proven the if someone wants to find it, they will.
If one person wants to find it there’s no problem. It’s when a whole bunch of people all think they’ve been given license to brigade a thread and start cyberbullying someone that things get unpleasant.
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
It’s a top 1% poster too, so you can be sure that entire sub reddit is overflowing with bullshit theories made up by the feeble, unable to understand what they’re looking at
