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I like this. I hope it starts conversations. Does anyone know if there are good alternatives to Discord?
TeamSpeak is doing an overhaul to be similar to Discord. You can self host.
There are a few that I can’t recall off the top of my head
IRC?
@M154nthr0p3 @malcriada_lala that is a nice one. Or #xmpp ;-)
Yes, there is Matrix
Is there an app for Loops.video?
There is one ! I have downloaded the APK, but I think there is also a testflight for iOS
Switching from WhatsApp to any other messaging service isn’t a realistic option for quite many places. I’d be more than willing to switch but of all the people in my contacts (including my entire customer base) there’s like 3 people using Signal but every single one of them has WhatsApp. Even the 60+ year olds.
My trouble as well, I’d love to switch from Whatsapp, but literally every person I talk to and most people in my city/estate/country uses It.
There’s a “vendor lock” term, maybe this would be a “social lock”?
It has to start with someone. I made my entire family switch to signal by boycotting WhatsApp. I just said, of you want to contact me your can either SMS, email or install signal. It was surprisingly easy. For non family members, I tell people to switch all the time. Most of my contacts now use signal. It was worth the trouble.
This does not help.
There is always SMS for these.
Hey, wouldn’t it be great if Signal still supported SMS?
Personally I see no benefit in having them in the same application.
There benefit would be exactly what this top comment is about. For all those people in your contacts who don’t use signal, you could still use signal to message them, it would just be an SMS message. It would therefore also become more enticing for people to switch from their stock SMS app to signal, because it would make no difference in terms of who you can send SMS messages to. It would allow for the signal user base to grow, solving the issue of “no one uses signal”
At least WhatsApp is encrypted and let you have propre group chat
WhatsApp’s a scam, anti-libre software.
Yes but it is still better than SMS.
Saying it’s secure feeds their scam. At least we don’t pay for it like SMS.
You still pay for SMS? Wtf, what country do you live in? Most postpaid mobile plans these days only charge for data usage. In which case, your still paying to use WhatsApp.
Most countries, like the UK. Calls and SMS are a scam. Internet already does that. I only auto prepay for data.
In my case I deleted instagram, instead of whatsapp I’m going to Matrix (I’ll see who I get there), I changed Reddit for Lemmy and I’m trying to find an active Peertube instance that allows for account creation, live, and uploading videos
Wouldn’t Matrix be a better alternative to Signal, since it doesn’t need a number? Maybe it has a too difficult learning curve to the average user, though
Matrix isn’t fediverse though. It is Federated but uses its own protocol
Well, Signal isn’t federated either, and doesn’t have a fediverse-like technology like Matrix does…
Signal is centralized, loops is closed source and not accepting new users.
So Matrix it is?
I was told that unless you self host, matrix is less secure because it leaks more metadata. Something to consider
Damm, didn’t know that, good to know
Loops will be open sourced later they say.
Is Loops open source? It will be! We plan on open sourcing the platform after it reaches a stable and easy to maintain state.
That means very little to me. Actions speak louder than words, and it would probably help the development of loops if it was actually open source.
That really is not a satisfying answer. It is incredibly nebulous and even if it did have a nice definition I guarantee most software developers will tell you a lot of software rarely reaches that state.
I can see why they might want to avoid 1000 GitHub issues bike shedding things but they could open source the code and just not have open contribution
Loops is anti-libre software confirmed.
Great graphic! The only things I use on this list are reddit and youtube. Trying peertube now. I’m confused about whatsapp and facebook messenger - don’t people just use the texting app that comes with their phone?
No one pays for SMS.
SMS is generally free and unlimited with almost any postpaid mobile plan. If you’re still paying for SMS then you should switch providers.
Where is matrix?
Right in the Signal box, it says “Or Matrix/XMPP”. It’s super tiny for some reason.
Hidden inside the whatsapp->signal box in tiny faint font. I was wondering why there isn’t a big “Discord -> Matrix”
Bad on-boarding
Here Revolt is suggested as an alternative to Discord which looks quite similar.
https://retro-gaiden.com/@Oregon_Pacifist/113929785493554770
Missing end-to-end encryption
So, is Matrix like halfway between Whatsapp and Discord? I downloaded it and I still don’t know much about it (not like I have ANYONE I know to test the app with). I felt like it was more Whatsapp-like
Nice to see the rear of them, was tough making the call to disconnect from a bunch of people, but I’ve told them where to find me. Hopefully it snowballs!
An change your email to protonmail or tutamail. Starve those gmails, outlooks, iCloud’s and etc
Protonmail aren’t necessarily worthy of the support, look up the recent news about them
Yes I noticed that, that’s why I changed to tutamail. It’s everywhere this neofascism wild capitalism thing
I’m not really all that invested in trying out Friendica, because Facebook is basically the exact sort of social network service that I really don’t give a darn about. I wanted to check it anyway, but the only tangible information on what Friendica is about is the project/marketing page. I can’t browse the instances. If I go to your massive social platform, the last thing I want to see is just a brick wall of a login page. Then I looked at fedidb and… um, those aren’t huge user numbers.
So I guess I’ll keep posting on the services that seem more sensible to me, like Mastodon, Pixelfed and Lemmy.
I already done my part. I only keep WhatsApp for professional reasons (and barely use it) but the rest is already done. 😁
Loops.video isn’t accepting new users atm. Even if it was, I got in on early signup and I have next to zero functionality out of it rn. Just informing the curious masses
Yeah it’s no where near ready for mass adoption. It’s made a couple improvements, but it crashes every time I try to leave a comment.
Loops isnt even federated or open source yet. Deleted my account
I agree. If it’s not libre from the start, we should not trust it. The term “open source” is ambiguous; they could just put it under some restrictive open-source license and then revert to closed source later. If it’s put under a free software license like the GPL, then I’ll feel better.
Loops really isn’t ready for primetime. It’s too new and unpolished, and will need a bit more time.
I wonder if peertube can scale. YouTube has a whole sophisticated system for ingesting and transcoding videos into dozens of formats, with tradeoffs being made on computational complexity versus file size/bandwidth, which requires some projection on which videos will be downloaded the most times in the future (and by which types of clients, with support for which codecs, etc.). Doing this can require a lot of networking/computing/memory/storage resources, and I wonder if the software can scale.
Im using it now. I never used tiktok but i can see the draw now.
Youtube is probably the one that you can’t “Just Switch To Fediverse”
Youtube content is mainly by creators. If they won’t leave, there will be no transition. And unlike reddit posts, you can’t just reupload. Because they will copyright strike you and take it down. Also, videos take up a lot more space than just text and some low-res memes like reddit-type sites.
reddit is essentially a bunch of strangers talking to people, moving froms stranger Group A to stranger Group B is very easy to do. The reddit > Lemmy transition is probably one of the easiest. You’re just joining a new group of strangers.
For everything else, your contacts will also need to switch.
For Mastodon, the people you follow will also need to switch. This is even harder than getting your friends to switch.
PipePipe is on F-Droid
Hear me out.
Creators should be hosting peer tubes. And they should host exclusively their own content. Fans of their can subscribe to whatever systems they want to pay and support.
For creators, it’s a backup for when YouTube the project inevitably fails. For fans as well. But it’s also a backup of their content.
Tech-savvy content creators, sure…
Your average content creator that wants to make Minecraft videos? Unrealistic.
I hate the monopoly Youtube has, but all of the federated alternatives have a learning curve the general public isn’t willing to deal with.
Not to mention it lacks any (ethical) monetization options. And the app is absolutely rudimentary, lacking even basic functionality.
Framasoft made it clear they don’t want to make it a Youtube alternative though, however it could be through plugins. So there’d have to be a company or cooperative using it as a base to build upon, which is actually realistic. Especially European ones; not because Asia wouldn’t be interested in being more independent on the US as well, but because Framasoft is from France and Europe actively works towards this goal anyway with lots of money behind it.
A lot of youtubers make a living posting videos.
They dont have a good enough reason to risk going to a much smaller audience with no ads and no membership system
They also probably arent knowledgeable enough about computers to switch
You also can’t just switch from whatsapp to signal. I have hundreds of contacts on whatsapp that message me constantly there, and 2 on signal.
Thank you, this covers everything I could have thought of!
