Victor Perez, 17, who also had cerebral palsy, had been in a coma since the April 5 shooting, and tests Friday showed that he had no brain activity, his aunt, Ana Vazquez, told The Associated Press. He had undergone several surgeries, with doctors removing nine bullets and amputating his leg.
The shooting outraged Perez’s family and Pocatello residents, and about 200 people attended a vigil Saturday morning outside the Pocatello hospital where he was treated. Another crowd of protesters gathered outside the Pocatello City Hall building, which also houses the police department, on Saturday afternoon. Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest, though no violence was reported. Many of the protesters held signs with phrases like, “Do better, PPD” and “Justice for Victor,” and passing cars honked in acknowledgment.
nine bullets
Nine fucking bullets to stop a kid with a knife. What the fuck are these pigs thinking?
They didn’t even try to de-escalation the situation, or use non-lethal shit to try stop him. Just straight out emptying a magazine on him
People overestimate the stopping power of bullets. Bullets will indeed kill somebody but it’s not instant like in the movies.
There are a lot of variables.
Yes, absolutely. But you you have somebody running towards you with a knife you don’t have time to consider and evaluate all of them. “Are they still moving” is pretty much all the input you can evaluate.
I’m not excusing the cops here. I’m just pointing out the misunderstanding of “why so many bullets” for which I will be heavily down-voted and shouted at.
Fair enough, but it seems like the cops should have the intelligence and situational awareness to understand the stopping power of a chain-link fence.
Im not a TRAINED cop, but I know that as long as he’s on the other side of the fence, armed only with a knife, I’m in no immediate danger, and I would use my words and my intelligence to try to talk him down.
If he jumps the fence, then it’s a different situation, but as long as he is caged, there are a LOT more steps to go through before we land on a magdump by multiple cops.
Frankly, I think the situation here is that one super-cowardly (or overly aggresive and trigger-happy) cop panicked and fired, and the rest unloaded, too, just to cover for the first one. Now they can’t just blame one bad cop, they have a bunch, which makes it look more justified. They probably talk about this strategy in the locker room - “If one fires, we all fire.”
I have heard multiple firearms trainers give statements to the effect of
If your open hand skill [unarmed fighting] sucks, you will rush to the firearm instead of other options because you don’t have faith in yourself. And when the first bullet doesn’t do the magic of an ‘instant stop’ like people pretend, you’ll end up mag dumping.
And if you watch police body-cam footage, you can see their panic switch pull the trigger, and then the cadence of gunfire rapidly picks up after that first shot.
Go look at any police force in Europe where the ‘suspect with a knife’ gets vastly different treatment.
- Police gang up and tackle them
- Nets/bolas style deployable restraints
- Low speed vehicle ramming to get the suspect on the floor and dazed
- Beanbag/less lethal shots to the body for pain compliance/muscle shock so they drop the knife
Euro cops almost always have a pistol, but the mentality is completely different regarding shoot v no-shoot
so why is that when 5 idiots do something then people scream ACAB all day and night? I am not a cop buy my childhood and current best friend was and he had to go through some fucking shit. he had to deal with suicide by cop, crack addicts just being…crack addicts. idiot people driving around dangerously, bomb threats left and right, angry karens crying about their neighbors and more.
It’s ‘ACAB’ because plenty of cops like your friend could be a perfectly honorable and righteous individual, but the policing system as it is deployed incentivizes the use of force and violence. They have developed a militant culture seperating them from ‘civilians’.
Then what the FUCK isn’t?! You can’t trust doctors 100%, I’ve been down that road, you can’t trust cops 100%… WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU ALL WANT?! THERE WILL NEVER BE A HAPPY END FOR YOU BECAUSE HUMANS AND EVERYTHING THEY BUILD AND EVERYTHING THAT IS ALIVE IS DANGEROUS!
YOU! WILL! NEVER! FEEL! SAFE!
Why are you yelling at this two month old comment? Yes, life is inherently precarious for all living things, I don’t understand what point you are making. I feel safe because death is inevitable and I live the best I can.
Because I hate you all for refusing to give an entire profession the benefit of the doubt.
I hate humans, but you don’t see me going around telling people that their mild lack of trust is not enough of a lack of trust.
If this post mattered two months ago but not now, it never mattered. Fuck you assholes.
What is the ‘benefit of the doubt’ you want me to give? I’m talking about a system, a bourgoisie state protected by militarized security forces, that is what the police are. Their primary function is the protection of capital and the capitalists in control of the state. Plenty of cops are honorable and wonderful people, it is the state that is the bastard.
To me, that’s what you are. You benefit from me not being allowed to hurt you for not being hurt while I suffered for years. Social media, even federated social media, exists to protect people who want me gone because it’s more fucking convenient. I hate you all.
What do you mean? What are you suffering from? I’m not trying to be snarky, I’m not sure what you mean. If you are talking about disabilities I have a disability, I have suffered immensely, only heartless people want you gone. I don’t want you or anyone to have to suffer. I am sorry if what I said was hurtful.
How many corrupt cops did your friend take down? If the answer is zero your friend is just as much of a bastard as the corrupt ones
There aren’t any here so… How could he have?
So you’re friend helps hide corruption?
Bullshit.
Can’t believe you cheated on you significant other man. That’s some bullshit
The officers, whose names have not been released, were placed on administrative leave.
Anonymity and a paid vacation for a lead amputation of a neurodivergent teen. And then they add insult to injury by posting up fucking snipers. I can’t say anything else that won’t get me a ban…
I can’t say anything about else that won’t get me a ban…
This is Lemmy, you have to worry less about banning for some stuff. But you do have to worry about things being really difficult to delete (potentially impossible, if any instances are maliciously recording things). And even upvotes and downvotes are public information in a Federated system.
That wasn’t hyperbole. That train of thought shouldn’t see the light of day.
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Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest
Hey hey hey now, if you’re going to protest our violence we may get you a whole lot more that, so be careful now!
Here’s a reminder that the Black Panthers started because people realized that peaceful unarmed protests were quickly met with police violence… But peaceful heavily armed protests had cops politely watching from across the street. Turns out, cops are a lot less likely to blindly fire into crowds when the crowds are capable of returning fire with overwhelming force.
Even MLK Jr said that peaceful protest only gets you so far; Disrupting highway traffic is fine for bringing awareness to your plight, but at a certain point the lawmakers and dug-in oligarchs need to be forced to change.
Apparently, what armed protests get you is gun control. Which isn’t too bad I guess.
Armed protests didn’t protect Sandy Brook when American cops decided they didn’t care. Armed protests haven’t fucking done shit, peaceful protests haven’t done shit either.
But where do you think there is to FUCKING go?! You will DIE in an anarchy, you will DIE under communism, you will DIE under a monarchy, you will DIE in a dictatorship, and you will DIE under democracy.
You cannot be satisfied, because I know the truth. You’re all FUCKING SCUMBAGS who think of themselves as deserving of “wealth to have power over others” just to feel safe.
Go. Away. All of you. If you can’t trust a random person because the system is corrupt to the core, no system will ever be good enough for any of you. Your neighbours, your friends, your family, and most of all your leaders cannot be trusted under standards like that no matter HOW much anyone likes them.
And that means I can’t trust you, because you already never trusted me. I’m done with this fucking bullshit, I hope you all get yourselves killed because you’re the ones who have doomed us just as much as the rich assholes; you will delegitimize any government and if we end up in anarchy because of that, I have no reason to not commit omnicide. Not genocide, omnicide. We will be extinct. That is how much you fucking disgust me.
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Please at least know that’s not inherently the case. I’ve never been treated unfairly by the RCMP, but then Canada is my country, not yours, so I can understand you’ve probably never seen a cop who actually helped people. Police in the US are fucking awful, but that’s by design and not by trait.
Dude I have watched enough Lore Lodge to know that the RCMP are also absolute fuckwits, the difference is that they are lazy and incompetent not actively malicious.
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All cops are bastards. Including your favorite cop.
ACAB is a slogan. It’s not factual in the strictest sense but it captures a truth. Statistically speaking, there is at least one good cop. Maybe even two. Real Andy Griffith, Carlton Lassiter types. Their existence does not change the fact that the system is rotten to the very core, and their tacit support for that system makes them bastards, even if they themselves have never abused anyone or covered for a colleague’s malpractice. Good cops exist, but they don’t last very long.
And as the sibling comment pointed out, institutionally speaking the RCMP is a god awful example if you’re trying to make a case for good cops.
The “good” cops that you are talking about are just the ones that don’t actively molest, rape, and murder people… but still turn a blind eye and give stalwart defense to those that do.
Actual, legitimate good cops don’t stay cops for very long before being run out or their deaths arranged (Just look at Frank Serpico. who still gets death threats and harassment to this day). because actual good cops don’t turn a blind eye to the violence or corruption.
And a cop that shakes my hand and treats me with respect, but will ignore and lie to defend his partners beating me and shooting me for no reason, is not in any way a good cop.
Then give me evidence that the cops I’ve met would ignore and lie to defend corrupt cops, and I’ll budge further. Otherwise, you can’t force someone to agree with you, as much as I hate that.
Are the cops you know actively marching in the streets in the name of justice and demanding police reform from their unions and leaders? Are they actively and consistently doing this, actively working to dismantle corruption and systemic problems with policing, every day?
Because if not, that’s how we know.
Exactly.
Nobody is. If you’re going to call the kettle black, fucking admit you’re the pot. Nobody is doing anything about your fucking situation because nobody can.
You know that, right? Trump didn’t get elected. He stole it, and the reason nobody stopped him is because you let capitalism get to a point that the supposed result that he won seemed plausible. And Russian interference is probably what got him in, because bomb threats to voting stations? Record voting turnout, but lowest participation in recent years? Someone must have taken and destroyed a lot of votes…
But by the time that was known, Trump had already taken office.
You know Germany was a democracy before Hitler took power, not just after WWII ended, right? Plus, even then they tricked people into supporting them because nobody yet knew the word “Holocaust”.
Nobody supports Trump except a few rich assholes betting the farm on his monstrosity. This problem was inevitable the moment WWII ended, because capitalism without regulation grows like cancer. By now, it doesn’t matter what anyone wants unless you have the money to buy the entire industry behind it.
Just a reminder, Blue Lives are supposed to matter less than everyone else. That’s why they sre issued a badge and a gun. They are supposed to put themselves at risk to protect the community. At least, that’s the story we’re told as kids. It’s the justification used to obtain our consent to be policed.
If police are so afraid for their safety that they kill innocent civilians, even by mistake, then they do not deserve our consent. The do not deserve authority over us, they do not deserve the free use of force, and they do not deserve the legal deference provided them by our justice system.
Blue Lives Don’t Matter, or it’s fascism.
They are supposed to put themselves at risk to protect the community.
Besides law enforcement in the US does have some origins from slave patrols.
The Supreme Court is entirely corrupt.
I don’t think he’s disagreeing with you, he’s saying that the law has said “No, police are just somehow allowed to do whatever they want and fuck you.” and that’s grounds for violent revolution because THEY JUST SHOT A KID. THEY WILL SHOOT YOUR KIDS. IF YOU ARE UNDER 18, THEY WILL KILL YOU.
Why is the police only allowed to shoot kids nowadays? What has America become? Where’s the freedom?
