This is exactly what I like to hear. The oligarchs that have made a mockery of my country’s democracy need to be put in their place. They’ve been parasites to our nation for far too long.
Carney, and the Liberals and centrists in general, constantly resist real change. He acts more like a conservative than anything, and even very recently tried to screw over the Air Canada attendants when they tried to fight for fair pay. He’s selling off our resources to private companies and laying off government workers during a time where those people will seriously struggle to find new work.
The speech was decent, I guess, but coming from Carney it’s just a bad joke. Like Trudeau kneeling with the BLM protesters, he’s demanding better behaviour from world leaders while being a world leader who can’t behave himself. Pretty, empty words from a weak man.
We should listen and form a new world order, and we should make sure that he doesn’t get to pretend like he was on the right side of history.
Carney is very conservative. He was well liked by Harper and is to the right of Trudeau. We really need actual leftists and not bankers leading the way and I regret voting for him and not voting NDP or to a communist party (even if they had no chance of winning).
If everyone who voted for the party that aligned with their views I think they’d be pretty surprised at who really had “no chance of winning”. The Liberals didn’t throw voting reform in the garbage for nothing.
I voted for Carney because I dreaded PP. I didn’t realize the extent of how much he would be talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand acting like it is all over, but on the other hand doing everything he can to appease the US and passing online and ‘strong borders’ act that effectively destroy privacy online for Canadians AND share or straight up hand that information over to the US authorities just like that.
I’m just amazed that you were surprised. That’s how the Liberals have always been, constantly trying to play it safe except that safe has just meant doing the things that don’t piss off rich corporations or the US too much because they’re afraid of standing up for us.
Ten years ago they ran on voting reform and then, when a committee made up of people from every party said that they needed to ditch FPTP they said it was “too difficult” and then never spoke about it again because that same committee also showed them that they would lose a lot of ground if people got to actually choose what they wanted. Doing that they openly stated that they don’t give a single flying fuck about democracy and we STILL consider them a serious party? Yea, fuck that noise.
I think that this is likely just how politics is done now. On one hand you have a guy that will keep giving the elites what they want. On the other, you have a complete wackadoo that’ll scare the voters into picking the first guy. It’s like voting with a gun to your head.
As a bonus, if on the off chance people do end up voting for the wackadoo, well then it’s party time. We have plenty of current examples of that.
We really need actual leftists and not bankers leading the way and I regret voting for him and not voting NDP or to a communist party (even if they had no chance of winning)
Why would you have to worry if they would win or not? Didn’t the liberal party get elected with a mandate to pass electoral reform recently? Surely they would keep their promises!
So then the rules should no longer protect them either
Ummm… Yeah? That was the point?
Did you read it listen to the speech to know who the “them” is the direct is about, though?
It’s us. Canada. Medium powers.
Listen to the speech; it’s one for the history books. Carney hit the nail on the head.
Yea, but they hold power and we can’t pay rent. But let’s use our collective anger to left pray things will change
This was a historic speech and I sincerely hope the European leaders get the message. It was also very surprising to hear him lay bare the problem with the old world order and talking about a new one that would live up to its ideals. There is more to Carney than I thought.
I still oppose many of his domestic policies that I consider too right wing. But that’s what a democracy is about.
There is more to Carney than I thought.
Having read his book before the election, this is exactly who I expected when I voted.
A liar? A guy who busts union strikes who rides in on his high horse to tell everyone else they need to create a new world order? The guy who sells our natural resources to private companies for a quick buck and lays off thousands of government jobs in a time where those people will have an immensely difficuly time getting jobs? The guy who handles finances like a conservative?
You hoped for someone to create a progressive new future and you voted for Carney? And you’re just admitting that openly? That’s wild, dude.
Can you imagine pp in this moment, jfc
Horrible, obviously. But why do we constantly force ourselves into steadily worse situations with the center-right to the point where we even have to consider that at all? And besides, that’s always the same lame excuse. It’s going to come up eventually and we may as well be equipped to fight back, unlike right now were we just have Harper style Conservatives instead of PP style ones. Congrats, we’re fucking stupid.
Can’t argue with that, just seems that carney was the best equipped out of the choices we had to meet this moment, even if he’s not perfect. I do hope for an ndp future, but here we are…
If you hope for an NDP future then you have to support it even when it’s scary. We keep kneecapping them and then complaining when they don’t have the power to do the objectively better things they promise. They even still manage to get some shit done when they can create coalitions and force the Liberals to actually do some good for the country. The NDP is the reason why we have even a small amount of dental coverage, for example, and then we go off about how they don’t know politics the same like what the hell are we smoking?
I’ll never get what people mean when they say that Singh “wasn’t ready” while voting for a bunch of losers who had no business being in government and who, even if they were “ready”, used that readiness to fuck us over. Imagine if the people of Middle Earth looked at Aragorn* and said “well he’s never been king before and Denethor might be straight-up insane but he UnDeRsTaNdS pOLiTiCs and with Sauron right there is now really the Right Time™?”. That’d be crazy, and we’d all have walked out of the theatre, yet we’re doing exactly that.
*I’m not saying Singh is Aragorn-like and will not engage with anyone ignoring the obvious message in favour of hanging on that part of an analogy.
Eh, I do, I voted ndp, and my riding got the candidate. Now, I still think Carney is better equipped to steer an economy so that Canada doesn’t collapse under the weight of the current monstrosity that is the US, but yes, the average person is far and away better off with the NDP.
I think we can have the nuance to believe both can be true. Meeting the world where it is, and not where we think it should be requires some reflection on priorities in any given moment. That said, I hope we can pivot towards more socialism once external economic factors have been more sorted out, despite being a banker, I do think he has Canada’s best interests in mind. Either way, we’ll see I suppose
The guy you responded to is on the far left economically. Think the polar opposite of libertarian, who thinks there are no redeeming qualities of our current economic systems, and rather than fixing things incrementally, if we instead massively overhaul the system, we will surely have a much better economic picture.
Not sure what he believes about democracy, but I’m guessing he also objects to that as well. In other words, hardly with the time of day.
This is the most illiterate, brain-dead take of what I’ve been saying. Yea, I hate democracy because I want us to vote for the parties which align with our beliefs and I think that the party which canned any hope of voting reform, specifically because it would mean they would start losing if we got to really choose, is a party of liars that we shouldn’t support. Ya know, because they were told the only way to win was to steal elections and they values winning more than democracy. And I’M the one who hates democracy? Get so bent, coward.
The Liberals a) are going more right over time so that’s hardly fixing anything at any pace and b) we do not have 200+ years for things to slowly get better when we have the scientific community screaming and begging us to do the right thing today. We don’t have time for broken promises and feel-good speeches made by those whose actions do not support the words they’re saying.
Pretty uniquely honest for a Western leader to recognize the double standards within that old order which was designed to maintain Western hegemony at the expense of the Global South.
Listening to him again reminded me of '08 when he helped lead us out of the Wall St shit storm. It’s the main reason I voted for him too. He tells the truth - no sugar coating, no dumb cliches, no lies to make you feel better.
I’m not happy with everything he’s done (see Bill C-2) but when things get rough he lays the cards on the table and says it like it is.
Bill C-2 isn’t law yet. It needs to be crushed to dust and never considered again. In fact most post-2000s terrorism legislation needs to be repealed. It has never protected anyone but simply made dissent harder and less effective.
I watched the whole speech. I am so proud to be Canadian!! I love that we have an educated, worldly, Prime Minister. He’s fucking amazing!
hes obviously the best option we can realistically hope for in our current social/political structure. HOWEVER. hes a politician, and a very wealthy banker. so dont miss the mountain for the trees here.
quietly pushing digital ID, AI, increased surveillance, decreased personal privacy, subverting charter rights and constitutional rights, giving our information without warrant to the police, our government, and the united states government and corporations, using tax payer funding to pay for private interest projects that directly undermine green energy and expand american, and other foreign financial interest in our countries resources. removing canadians ability to defend themselves against an apparantly imminent foreign invasion by reducing firearm availability and punishing legal gun owners as a result of an issue directly correlated to illegal firearms imported from the united states. all the while increasing police funding and military funding which also directly puts tax payer money into the pockets of military contractors, foreign and domestic. limiting the ability to defend our sovereignity to government employees rather than average citizens.
he gives a great speech, he is much better than pierre poilievre, however, he does not represent 99% of canadians, he represents the rich, industry, and established/emerging monopolies above all else. the new world order he speaks of is one where we will continue to struggle financially as workers so that corporations and the elite can maintain stable control over a productive yet exhausted population. snowballing the concentration of wealth and power to the elite, and new emerging elite class. while reducing ownership for consumers in virtually every single sector you can imagine. fuelling our economy with an indebted population.
the new boot on our heads is just a bit more polished and expensive, but it is still a boot on our heads. and its going to be a bit heavier than it was before. but with the right marketing, we will always beg for more, thinking its for our own good.
so unless you are already quite well off, dont expect a grand shift in your fortunes and affordability. not just because of him, or trump, or a new economic model, but the class that they both represent. the elites are shifting the board, and the people, as always, will bear the brunt of it all. while they make off like faceless bandits, and we infight against one another, fearful of immigrants, foreign powers, differing ideologies, and general security.
politicians are merely puppets, scape goats, hitmen, and sin eaters for the wealthy and poor alike. hired to take the guilt, shame, glory, and responsibility of our wanted desires so that we do not have to. when it goes good or bad we claim proudly or sheepishly who we voted for, and blame each other for the outcomes, regardless of how good or bad they may actually be, instead of directly addressing the faceless manipulators who guided and uplifted every single head of state in the modern world, for their benefit.
that is the beauty of being an elite, all the riches and glory, and no repercussions. the social backlash is for the political lackies.
when any head of state speaks, pretend they are only speaking to the wealthy. because they are.
“its a big club, and you aint in it”
This is the answer I feel sums up my feelings best. Really good nuanced take on Carney. Love him for the leader we need right now, but the last thing the world needs is more neoliberal and enshittified ideas. Hate how his ideas apply to countries, but not citizens. Corporate hegemony has been an issue in Canada since Confederation.
Thank God Pierre Pollivre wasn’t elected or this would be a much different story.
We’d probably invade Greenland ourselves if he did lol.
Thank God he didn’t win.
We would already be the 51st state.
At some point during the speech this popped in my head:
I just cannot imagine the world of shit we’d be living in if he had won the election. Even since, he’s contributed absolutely nothing to the political discourse in this country. And he’s changing seats, again.
(And I know Draper is an asshole, I just mean the whole vibe is what came to mind. I don’t think I’ve heard Carney even mention Polievre since letting him have a seat with the by-election).
He’d bend over and ask for Canada to take more. Nothing I’ve read from him sounds like a proper leader of this country. He’s as whiny as a toddler like the neighbor’s ‘leader’. Calling that thing a leader is laughable, he couldn’t lead a train on the track unless there was a pile of gold in sight.
He lost so bad he got a pity seat and is causing his party to collapse
The pity seat isn’t good enough for him, they’re going to run him in another seat.
I don’t know if that means he simply hates it there, or the party plans on dumping him and returning that seat to a party faithful.
It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that the conservatives in the Battle River-Crowfoot riding ripped PP a new one for taking the seat in the first place.
They toed the line … but only once.
I would not want my MP to be a guy with zero connections to the community, who is only begrudgingly there because it’s safe, and will spend all good time living two provinces away.
I’ve got some bad news for you. The only reason he isn’t our prime minister is because Trump happened.
An UNcomfortable amount of your fellow Canadians actual support that guy
SupportED. Not so much anymore.
PP at the world economic forum:
GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GAH… We need to support our allies in seizing Greenland GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
The Gluck is the sound of him throating cock, right?
Correct!
Dudes to small to cause a gluck
slurp
🤣
He wouldn’t even have been there (nor any other CPC MPs). He wants to be Canada’s Trump so bad but he’s so bad at it that he’s somehow even less likable than the actual demented fascist child molester himself
If you’ve only read the headlines and not read the actual speech , you’re missing out on a lot of important details.
Edit: Updated link
The actual speech
This was a profound speech. There was a lot to it. Declaring the death of the liberal international order with less than shining obit being one example. That was a very powerful statement. More than that though, he has been gradually laying down pieces of a framework for working back towards a world order we might want to see. Can we do it without the US smashing it all up first? Very uncertain. Still, can’t fault Carney for taking the position he has. He’s supposed to be a leader, it’s a time when leadership is desperately needed, and he is stepping up as a leader.
“We knew RBIO was bullshit the whole time but we thought we could fake it til we make it” is pretty real and based.
Mark Carney to Europe:
It was nice to read the speech. I approve of Carney’s message. Here were some lines I found humorous:
Nostalgia is not a strategy
If we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu
We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values but also the value of our strengthI wish he was less of a, you know, investor capitalist, but his take on international relations is a wonder to behold. This speech basically boiled down to his election speeches, calling out the US, and telling the world that the Big Fish are nobody’s friend, and that the rest of us need to partner up and stop competing with each other to simp for the Americans.
He basically declared that the American Empire is over, and we’re done acting as a vassal state.
Fucking wild. I never thought I’d live to see the day.
Rather poetic less than 24 hours after Trump paraded out a map with American flags over Canada, Greenland, and Venezuela.
Don’t worry. Trump is speaking in Davos tomorrow.
Oh happy days. 🙄
Well, he called Greenland “Iceland” 4 times in a meandering, somewhat incoherent ramble of a speech.
I was reading The Guardian’s live feed of his speech and it was freaking hilarious.
Stuff like, “Trump is speaking on how Canada should appreciate him, and now he’s off on another tangent.” Lol.
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We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values but also the value of our strength
Now it would be a shame if Russia or China would make the same comment, would it not?
Wow, I can’t believe I’m about to say that I like what this banker just said.
But uhh, I think I like what this banker just said.
I know that many here and myself included, don’t appreciate his anti-worker example of the “Workers of the World Unite” being used as the lie of a corrupt regime…
However, this was a profound speech, and I would say one of Carney’s best since his election as Prime Minister. A great leader recognizes their own leadership and government’s faults to try and find the best way forward.
It wasn’t an example of a corrupt regime, though, but of a failed one. The soviet union failed to live up to the promise of workers uniting for collective ownership, and it was failing as a dictatorship. The sign in the window here is not pretending a corrupt regime wasn’t corrupt, but that a crumbling regime wasn’t crumbling.
The current world order has been crumbling for some time. No one on the world has been willing to say so. He turned around and said “let it”.
I took that as more of an anti-soviet dig instead of an anti-worker dig.
There’s no doubt that infected dictatorships co-opt valid communist, leftist, socialist and working-class rhetoric to serve their own selfish authoritarian agenda.
I think he ultimately brought it for the sake of example, one that his audience, the elite capitalist class could understand.
I know that many here and myself included, don’t appreciate his anti-worker example of the “Workers of the World Unite” being used as the lie of a corrupt regime…
That was my first thought, why the fuck did he have to dismiss and disparage workers from the very start of his speech? Then I remembered, he is a banker, he serves the bankers, and bankers have no use for workers except to bleed them dry.
It is encouraging that he recognizes SOME of the failures of the current system, but he ignored the rise of fascism world-wide, and still thinks everything will be fine if we just have more militarism and capitalism.
I think he’s just a capitalist banker with agenda to push capitalist friendly policies but in the context of how he compares it to rules based order (a potentially good thing) I don’t think this is what he meant. He says we pretend we have rules based order because it was a good thing even though we know at heart that strong powers can act outside the rules. The shop owners pretend the workers are united (a good thing) even though they know the government is corrupt and does not support the workers.
I especially like his emphasis on truth, not an angry shouting of truth, but a refusal to be silent about the falsehoods. Take the signs out of the windows.
I think he’s saying nice words, but I’ll believe them when I see actions. I should preface this with, I understand running a country is like sailing a massive ship. It takes time to correct course. Additionally, it would be great if they worked with the NDP and seemed like they cared more lol.
Canada keeps tip toeing around the whole Palestinian genocide. I assume because it’s largely american backed, but if what he says is true, then I would like to see them speak up more. They talk about Greenland and Ukraine but it would be nice for them to…be equal.
Additionally in terms of the economy, we might be largely well educated but many of the people I know have degrees, diplomas and even masters and have had a hell of a time finding worthwhile work (if any) for the past 6 years. Some have had better luck than others, but like…damn it doesn’t seem like we’re prospering here. Cost of living has skyrocketed. My outlook for the future isn’t looking great. I largely have no idea if I’ll be living comfortably in a decade or be worse off. It’s difficult if not impossible to plan for a future.
Carney already told Trump to pound sand on the “Board of Peace”.
“Welcome to the club”
- the global south
Not a fan of this guy’s domestic policy but at least he’s pragmatic enough to see the writing on the wall.
The man for the times.
