How does the thoughts and prayers contingent not recognize that every time Trump takes office the world sends a plague? Isn’t that in their handbook as being significant?
Yes it means the demonic Democrats are trying to engineer a virus to turn everyone against oir Lord and Savior: Billionaire Jesus
What Pandemic was there in 2017? Because the brunt of Covid mostly was during Bidens term.
Seriously people, if you downvote why dont you bother to correct?
Trumps first inaugoration was 2017. Covid started 2020 and the most of it happened under Biden. It is just laughable to think that a global pandemic had anything to do with who is the US president.
So 2020, which by your inaccurate account, was the start of covid. When dealing with a global disease that has the potential to overload the medical system prior to getting a vaccine, what year do you think is the most important?
Of course Trump couldnt have stopped covid from destroying the rest of the world. But he could have lessened its impact on the US. Instead, he thought it would magically dissappear by easter. Due to his cult of personality, people were explicitly attempted to spread covid. He constantly undercut what actual scientists and health experts were stating, in favor of pushing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin, both of which have been shown to be ineffective in treating covid, and can actually make your issues worse. He failed in his response to covid across the board and reaulted in hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths.
The ironic notion was that Covid came to punish the election of Trump, and so would the next pandemic. But Covid came towards the end of Trumps presidency, even if you include the last months of 2019 where maybe there was a case or two already.
When looking at the graph of infections we see two major waves. The first being Winter 2020/2021 so when Trump was leaving and Biden was getting into office. By then it was considered the third wave, but the March/April and Juli/August waves have been very small in comparison. Then the next big wave came in August/September 2021 and then the craziest winter was 2021/2022 and the last big wave in summer 2022.
Looking at the graph of deaths it is a bit different because the 2020 March/April wave hit very badly, which indeed fell into Trumps reign and could have looked slightly less bad if he had enacted different policies. But the majority of deaths and the worst death waves were winter 2020/2021 so split half half Biden and Trump and August 2021 to March 2022, which is fully in Bidens term.
It is just misinformation to claim a link between Trump and Covid without claiming the same link between Biden and Covid. In total it remains that no one did a good job at mitigating Covid. And frankly the only country that claimed to have mitigated Covid during the first waves was China with an extremely authoritarian crackdown. But then when vaccines were available they still ended up getting a major blow by Covid and just lied about their statistics, so even having postponed the hit until vaccines were available wasn’t the winning strategy either.
And nowhere in the world did countries fare significantly better or worse than in the US. All the political leaders did a poor job and it is dangerous to focus on Trump alone. Trump sure as hell was a terrible president and is a huge asshole and criminal, but that cannot be the reason to associate Covid with him.
Sort countries by deaths per 1M population. Aside from a lot of countries that didnt monitor Covid related deaths or infectins properly because of structural factors there is no relationship establishable between Covid strategy and number of deaths. How many people died in a country probably mostly related to the age of the population, prevalence of smoking, pollution and other factors for respiratory issues.
Contrary to the other commentor, I actually think this is a very reasonable, well rationalized take. I never claimed that biden did better, because I havent looked into that specifically. My only issue is that a lot of trumps policies and actions specifically made it worse. And as far as the spikes under bidens term went, what percentage of those people were unvaccinated, despite a vaccine being available and effective at that point? I havent verified, but id be willing to bet its almost a 1:1 correlation. Just like there is a nearly 1:1 correlation between a certain political party and antivaccine views.
My point being that trumps cult is largely still responsible because he massively helped the antivaxxer movement, despite one of Trumps major 3 good accomplishments (IMO) being the creation of the vaccine. (Created during his term, obv he did not create it himself)
You’re taking the joke way too seriously.
Politicians have not taken Covid seriously enough and have not changed anything tangible, so the next pandemics will come and hit us just as hard.
I repeat, it was a joke
You are deliberately missing the joke just to feel correct on the internet. Go to twitter if you want to do that.
Per the CDC
“January 20, 2020
CDC reports the first laboratory-confirmed case of the 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the U.S. from samples taken on January 18 in Washington state and on the same day activates its Emergency Operations Center (EOC) to respond to the emerging outbreak.“
I guess the first time around the world was just as surprised that there were enough morons to elect him. This time the world was more on the ball.
Which was the final year of Trumps first presidency and Covid lasted well beyond 2020. Most cases and deaths in the US happened under Biden. But it just has nothing to do with either Trump or Biden. It is a global pandemic and the waves hit more or less similarly in all countries.
My original comment implied that the world sent a plague in response to Trump. Having trouble understanding the relevance of your comment. But nice try at a point.
I know reading is hard. You need to group letters to form words and words to form sentences. Take breaks when confused. Use ice or aspirin for any headaches.
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You just forgot what happened Covid wise between 2021 and 2024?
Not really, they caught it from wild birds. There’s still no human to human transmission. Stop kissing birds y’all
Don’t kink shame me
I have a flock of ducks, but they have no contact with wild birds, thankfully. Their outdoor pen has a roof that prevents birds from coming in and the two mated pairs of hawks that live nearby eat nearly all of the wild birds. I was bummed about the lack of songbirds and all that until I realized my flock is much safer being some of the few living birds around lol. So far none of my ducks have died from mysterious illness. Every death has had a clear cause, thankfully. Doesn’t make it easier emotionally to lose one of them, but I haven’t had to even consider culling the flock. I hope that I never have to do that.
Ugh. How big of a problem is this going to be?
That depends on whether the virus starts spreading human-to-human with each infected person infecting more than one other person.
If it does not, then things look like the SARS outbreak in 2002-2004, where a few people get sick, and a few people die.
If it starts spreading with R₀ > 1, then pretty much everybody gets it, and a significant number die.
We could reduce the risk of the latter with measures like:
- Actively test all dairy herds
- Vaccinate dairy workers, and regularly test them for infection
- Quarantine those who are infected
- Ban the sale of unpasteurized milk and crack down on existing black-market distribution of it
However, it seems really unlikely that we’ll actually do so.
- Ban the sale of unpasteurized milk and crack down on existing black-market distribution of it
RFK jr will help out here, right?
/s
I’m’ from Europe and drink fresh milk daily, eat Camembert and other unpasteurised cheeses, and raw meat (filet américain), never had any issue. Of course it’s not for young children and pregnant women… do you Americans see this the same way we consider drinking tap water in India ?
Anecdotal evidence sure is convincing!
What part of Europe? Is you food coming from a very long input chain with many inputs? The chances of contamination increases with each input source and every additional step in the delivery process.
OP, you seem smart.
I am a low income person on the verge of moving because my finances are so bad. I was considering moving to a place with a shared bathrooms and over 10 people living in the building. The deposit on the place so far is a trivial amount and I can abandon the lease without significant consequence. I work remotely.
I am trying not to be irrationally concerned by click bate, but also would prefer not to die as a result of bird flu during the next year if that’s a possibility. I’m not sure if this is a “when not if” situation or if the new media and government keep bringing this up but realistically the chances are low. I am generally good at parsing out bullshit from genuine data, but am at a loss with this one.
Do you think it would be a mistake to move into this new place? I am already feeling reluctant because it’s in a less urban area and I don’t really like critters. I could abandon it and try to get a cheap place in a different area with my own bathroom. Please let me know if you happen to see this what you think.
Assume that I find 30 percent risk of bird flu spreading in the next year with a R value greater than 1 to be the point at which I abandon this move.
I have also even considered things like just leasing a car, living in it, and trying to head as far north as possible, find some place to rent in the middle of nowhere or make a campsite and start hoarding food somehow. (This would involve more critters, unfortunately, but they likely don’t pose an existentialist threat.) If everyone is going to get this bird flu thing and many die, it seems like severe isolation may be the best way to survive.
Please help.
Frankly, there’s nothing to worry about right now. The concern is the potential for a new flu variant to emerge that the public has little to no existing immunity for, however that variant has not emerged and is not very likely to emerge, there just exists a small chance that it may. The only thing you should be doing is keeping your distance from birds and getting your flu shot.
This specific death happened to an elderly person with a bunch of other health conditions, which is common for the flu. Thousands of people die from the flu every year, and it doesn’t make the news. What you can be sure of is that H5N1 stories are generating clicks for the media.
Well, not every year. Not 2020.
Because of masking for COVID.
This is incorrect. I linked the data in my comment. '21-'22 saw the fewest flu deaths in recent memory, but there were still almost 5000 documented cases.
Edit: Totally missed that '20-'21 was missing from this data. Turns out the CDC didn’t issue estimates for that season
Do “cases” equal “deaths”? I’m genuinely curious.
Please refer to the link in my first comment
Gotcha, thanks. I should have read that better.
However, you might note that they skipped 2020-2021. Because the flu deaths for that season were insignificant.
You’re correct, the CDC didn’t issue estimates that year because their sample size of hospitalizations was too low
With the dearth of migrant labor to perform the culls, an indentured servant class that owe their homes to Tyson chicken, and a polar vortex It’s not looking good. We’d be very lucky to avoid another pandemic.
I would avoid all poultry products to ease the strain on the industry. With Covid rates also rising I would mask up on public transit and any enclosed space at work.
My issue is I do not trust RFK to allow the FDA and CDC to do their job.
Here we goooooo
Come and get 'em all.
