Tbh, contact sports seem so much more disparate than non contact sports. Like, I’d expect Roger Federer to respect Steffi Graf (I’m old, okay?), but men’s hockey and rugby players seem less appreciative/respectful towards women’s hockey and rugby players.
I suspect it’s a combination of the relatively greater importance of strength/mass and the heightened aggression involved
I frequently make this error of thinking people who are highly accomplished through perseverance have a good moral compass. It is truly a bad habit. Academia has also let me down.
Being part of a minority really highlights how horrible some sport’s cultures can be. If you are a gay or female fan of any sport you have to pick your social circles like navigating a minefield. Lest you end up in the homophobic “let’s lynch the gay guy” or the “gang rape the only woman here” fan-club.
Sure, the vast majority of sport spaces are not that extreme, but it only takes one, and unfortunately they are a pretty much non-zero number. Sometimes just watching a game alone in you living room can expose you to casual homophobia and misogyny depending on the commenters.
I don’t know enough mma people to say, honestly. I know jiu jitsu bros, and they tend to be extreme in either direction, but more commonly very cool with women who also do jiu jitsu.
My sister did a fuck ton of martial arts and some combat sports (no MMA), and is pretty thick skinned about sexism. According to her, the same is true for most martial artists and wrestlers, but boxers are more of an even mix.
I was a wrestler in hs. Can confirm I have very thick skin about sexism from the abuse I endured. Because it happens so much, you either quit or find a way to deal with it.
Those who stick it out survived the selective pressure to get them to quit. So is no wonder they tend to be more uniform than you’d otherwise expect.
Coward isn’t the word. They are excited and proud about winning the gold medal, and they have every right to be. Other people making it political in one form or the other isn’t their problem.
It’s an invitation from the leader of the country they represented. It’s very normal and is happening all over the world right now in different countries who are celebrating their accomplishments during the winter Olympics. Unfortunately now after the fact, there are a lot of people trying to use them for various political ideologies.
They had Kash Patel, a polarizing, politically appointed baffoon, in the locker room celebrating with them. They drank and put good medals on him while he misused US property and funds to be there. THEY made it political.
We don’t have to let people like Kash or Trump try to make it about themselves, and we don’t have to try to force something onto the athletes that they never intended or stood for. It’s disgraceful that we can’t simply celebrate with them, disgraceful that powerful politicians try to steal their glory, and disgraceful that certain leftists are too full of anger to allow themselves to enjoy life for even one second.
The men’s team was such a disappointment here. Not that I was hugely invested, but still. Have some respect for your fellow athletes, maybe?
Tbh, contact sports seem so much more disparate than non contact sports. Like, I’d expect Roger Federer to respect Steffi Graf (I’m old, okay?), but men’s hockey and rugby players seem less appreciative/respectful towards women’s hockey and rugby players.
I suspect it’s a combination of the relatively greater importance of strength/mass and the heightened aggression involved
I frequently make this error of thinking people who are highly accomplished through perseverance have a good moral compass. It is truly a bad habit. Academia has also let me down.
Being part of a minority really highlights how horrible some sport’s cultures can be. If you are a gay or female fan of any sport you have to pick your social circles like navigating a minefield. Lest you end up in the homophobic “let’s lynch the gay guy” or the “gang rape the only woman here” fan-club.
Sure, the vast majority of sport spaces are not that extreme, but it only takes one, and unfortunately they are a pretty much non-zero number. Sometimes just watching a game alone in you living room can expose you to casual homophobia and misogyny depending on the commenters.
There’s probably some truth to this. Men’s and women’s hockey are functionally separate sports.
Does this also extend to combat sports (e.g. MMA), or is it more of a team sports thing?
I don’t know enough mma people to say, honestly. I know jiu jitsu bros, and they tend to be extreme in either direction, but more commonly very cool with women who also do jiu jitsu.
My sister did a fuck ton of martial arts and some combat sports (no MMA), and is pretty thick skinned about sexism. According to her, the same is true for most martial artists and wrestlers, but boxers are more of an even mix.
Edit: maybe it scales with head trauma?
Brain damage is linked to more aggressive behavior, so it tracks.
I was a wrestler in hs. Can confirm I have very thick skin about sexism from the abuse I endured. Because it happens so much, you either quit or find a way to deal with it.
Those who stick it out survived the selective pressure to get them to quit. So is no wonder they tend to be more uniform than you’d otherwise expect.
They did and they do. This story got blown up into something that never existed, at least as far as the men go. Wont speak for Trump…
Nah fuck that. Mohammad Ali threw his gold medal into the Ohio River.
These people are cowards.
Coward isn’t the word. They are excited and proud about winning the gold medal, and they have every right to be. Other people making it political in one form or the other isn’t their problem.
They made it political when they accepted an invitation from a politician.
It’s an invitation from the leader of the country they represented. It’s very normal and is happening all over the world right now in different countries who are celebrating their accomplishments during the winter Olympics. Unfortunately now after the fact, there are a lot of people trying to use them for various political ideologies.
They had Kash Patel, a polarizing, politically appointed baffoon, in the locker room celebrating with them. They drank and put good medals on him while he misused US property and funds to be there. THEY made it political.
We don’t have to let people like Kash or Trump try to make it about themselves, and we don’t have to try to force something onto the athletes that they never intended or stood for. It’s disgraceful that we can’t simply celebrate with them, disgraceful that powerful politicians try to steal their glory, and disgraceful that certain leftists are too full of anger to allow themselves to enjoy life for even one second.
Would you be saying the same thing if this was about Jesse Owens partying with Himmler and accepting an invite from Hitler?