Idk, having something that could melt metal from a safe distance as a deterrent seems a bit overkill. But don’t take my word for it, I might be overreacting.
It’s just running on butane - it won’t have enough heat mass to melt metal (and produce any notable flames). Probably it won’t do much more to a person than startle the hell out of them and maybe ignite their hair.
I think even oxy-butane tops out at 2,000°C (which is 50,000°F or something idk). 3,300°C is around the max for oxy-acetylene, which is I’m assuming what the person writing this was looking at.
The problem is that who an “abuser” is is extremely subjective. In this case it’s evil men. What if people buy these because they’re scared of evil immigrants? The argument is the exact same.
And nothing is stopping abusers from getting these too. You think they have a little checkbox on the order you have to cross on the form so they don’t accidentally sell them to the wrong person?
And who are they against exactly, gropers, rapists, people that hit on you in a club, any stranger that approaches you? Burning someone alive is a pretty big commitment, you better make sure you got the right person, or else you’re just another psychopath with a weapon waiting for a chance to use it on anyone you dislike.
It’s just a weapon. It can be used by anybody, against anybody, for any reason. Being willing to use a weapon against other people doesn’t mean you are justified in doing so. This particular weapon is probably most useful for disfiguring people. There’s a fair chance that some over-entitled ex-boyfriends and stalkers might find a use for it.
Do you want to get embarrassed over getting defensive about a dark joke shitpost in a meme sub about women defending themselves against the onslaught of rape the world throws at them and how the systems in power refuse to give a shit about to the point of them requiring lethal disfiguring weapons (as a joke, as this is just a stupid temu lighter intended to be used simply as a lighter for people stupid enough to buy one, if that wasn’t fucking obvious.) to stop it from happening to them or do you maybe just want to fuck off about it? I’ve still got more in the tank, but I’d rather do other things than point out how fucking stupid it is to take shit like this seriously to the point of arguing against it as a safety issue. I just got off of a rare slow shift at work and need to play with my cat.
A lot of people carry guns specifically for that reason. I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution, but it speaks of a bigger issue that is being ignored. If people are forced to look out for themselves then the options become very limited and outside of the possibility of anything approaching ideal. I’m not choosing to worry about the attackers getting set on fire in this situation, my concerns and those of the people who have a need for things like this have already been outright ignored entirely. People don’t have a better option, it was taken from them already.
And has easy access to guns never caused problems? Possibly more problems than they’ve solved?
My problem isn’t with people deterring potential attackers or fighting off actual attackers. My concern is with the potential for misuse, and the fact that labeling this as some innocent means of self-defense is covering up the fact that it wouldn’t be limited to being used exclusively by victims. That’s just marketing. Any psycho could buy one of these.
Maybe we should try to address the issues with the longstanding preservation of rape culture. When that never happens, though, this is what we are left with. You’re mad at the pen, you should be mad at the person who threw the pen.
Well… let’s try it out for a little and see what happens.
Typically without solid training what happens is the weapon gets turned on the wrong person.
But, for the sake of a good time we can imagine some asshole pervs getting lit up like a cigar. Heh heh. Awesome.
I hope the QA is good. Training or no training, these aliexpress specials will probably just self immolate in your bag.
Honestly, I hope it is more deterrent than anything else
Idk, having something that could melt metal from a safe distance as a deterrent seems a bit overkill. But don’t take my word for it, I might be overreacting.
Hmm, that sounds like something a velociraptor would say.
That’s hate speech.
Smells fishy.
It’s just running on butane - it won’t have enough heat mass to melt metal (and produce any notable flames). Probably it won’t do much more to a person than startle the hell out of them and maybe ignite their hair.
Shhh, let them have fun.
3300°C seems a bit much for butane but it could be farenheit which I would assume is still quite hot.
I think even oxy-butane tops out at 2,000°C (which is 50,000°F or something idk). 3,300°C is around the max for oxy-acetylene, which is I’m assuming what the person writing this was looking at.
Great, create more fear in society and pit people against each other and give them weapons, too. Winning concept.
Abusers should be afraid. 🤷♂️
The problem is that who an “abuser” is is extremely subjective. In this case it’s evil men. What if people buy these because they’re scared of evil immigrants? The argument is the exact same.
And nothing is stopping abusers from getting these too. You think they have a little checkbox on the order you have to cross on the form so they don’t accidentally sell them to the wrong person?
And who are they against exactly, gropers, rapists, people that hit on you in a club, any stranger that approaches you? Burning someone alive is a pretty big commitment, you better make sure you got the right person, or else you’re just another psychopath with a weapon waiting for a chance to use it on anyone you dislike.
What’s wrong? Rape plans derailed?
You’re real scared about getting set on fire, huh?
Spoken like a true klan member.
You understand that nobody is handing out flame throwers, right? You know that this is a meme, right? You can’t really be that fucking stupid, right?
Pit people against whom? Their active attacker? Who are you worried about making afraid?
What attacker? There is no attacker, it’s all a hypothetical situation meant to rile up people like you.
Rape is a made up hypothetical situation?
Are you being raped right now?
Oh, you’re right. You’re so right. I’m not getting raped, so it doesn’t exist. What a relief.
Also, nobody is getting flame throwers, jackass. Congrats on outing yourself as a media illiterate rape advocate because of a meme. Cheers.
It’s just a weapon. It can be used by anybody, against anybody, for any reason. Being willing to use a weapon against other people doesn’t mean you are justified in doing so. This particular weapon is probably most useful for disfiguring people. There’s a fair chance that some over-entitled ex-boyfriends and stalkers might find a use for it.
“Solar panels cause climate change” type argument.
BS
Do you want to get embarrassed over getting defensive about a dark joke shitpost in a meme sub about women defending themselves against the onslaught of rape the world throws at them and how the systems in power refuse to give a shit about to the point of them requiring lethal disfiguring weapons (as a joke, as this is just a stupid temu lighter intended to be used simply as a lighter for people stupid enough to buy one, if that wasn’t fucking obvious.) to stop it from happening to them or do you maybe just want to fuck off about it? I’ve still got more in the tank, but I’d rather do other things than point out how fucking stupid it is to take shit like this seriously to the point of arguing against it as a safety issue. I just got off of a rare slow shift at work and need to play with my cat.
By that logic, shouldn’t everyone carry a gun too? If it’s theoretically only going to be used against an active attacker, what’s the big deal?
(Note: this isn’t an argument for carrying guns)
A lot of people carry guns specifically for that reason. I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution, but it speaks of a bigger issue that is being ignored. If people are forced to look out for themselves then the options become very limited and outside of the possibility of anything approaching ideal. I’m not choosing to worry about the attackers getting set on fire in this situation, my concerns and those of the people who have a need for things like this have already been outright ignored entirely. People don’t have a better option, it was taken from them already.
And has easy access to guns never caused problems? Possibly more problems than they’ve solved?
My problem isn’t with people deterring potential attackers or fighting off actual attackers. My concern is with the potential for misuse, and the fact that labeling this as some innocent means of self-defense is covering up the fact that it wouldn’t be limited to being used exclusively by victims. That’s just marketing. Any psycho could buy one of these.
Yup. That’s the available option.
Maybe we should try to address the issues with the longstanding preservation of rape culture. When that never happens, though, this is what we are left with. You’re mad at the pen, you should be mad at the person who threw the pen.
Also, fire doesn’t just stay put. Yes, you might burn the attacker, but catch the building on fire killing people.
Here here !
We can’t know until we give it a try
Handing out weapons to the population and expect them to use them responsibly has worked so fucking well so far…
Well of course we’ll offer free training, too.