Dodged a bullet!
Keep asking those questions. Any place worth working for will be happy to discuss this openly.
Dodged a bullet.
A tank shell.
a nuclear bomb
A pickled conservative
Be greatfull you didnt get that position because if they say asking about responsibilities (aka the role) is a no-no, then they’re scamming.
*grateful (as in ‘dead’)
Why protect the identity of the ones saying this? Could save some people wasted time applying, or even worse, someone might even get hired by them.
That’s code for “we know that nobody would work here if they knew the answers, so we don’t want to tell anyone them”
Yeah. If that’s their response, then Gavin dodged a bullet.
Task failed successfully. Any company willing to get defensive in writing clearly has some horrific practices.
That is true, but a shitty job is still better than homelessness and starvation, Both dodged a bullet and also really sucks
I personally think a horrible employer is worse than homelessness. I actually spent less time hungry what time I didn’t have a place and always had the shelter at night before getting back on my feet.
Shitty job; I woke up nauseous every morning. Always had this sort of dread. A general depression from the abuse and general humiliation of the workplace. We really know how to grind the average white collar to ash and dump them in the garbage when they get older.
I agree with you 100%, with a small caveat, that it is an individual choice and preference to choose between a shitty job and homelessness. The streets can be hard, and getting back into a house is almost impossibly hard for so many people.
It is a shitty system by design. no good outcomes and arguing about which shitty outcome is less shitty is a waste of time. I really hope you are housed and have a good job.
Yeah more red flags than a Soviet parade imho
Or a MAGA gathering
You dodged a bullet there.
Like a 950 caliber bullet. Depending on the work, a company like that is going to be just as effective as making someone go splat.
Is that a thing? Anywho… you are correct.
They’re freaking gigantic too. They don’t make them anymore though.
yeah it only becomes a problem when every company realizes they can do this at the same time and so being honest in an interview isn’t an edge anymore, since no one is doing it
Would be nice to name drop these kinds of assholes.
I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position and people gradually leaving until it’s just a husk with the C-suite having to do everything or the company just disappearing
I honestly just assume its fake when they dont name drop. I have no doubt it happens, but its just rage bait without any context.
Based on a true story
Don’t doubt that each of those things were used by various companies to not hire people, but listing them all at once in a rejection letter that no companies send anymore is a bit too on the nose.
It may be, but key words are “it happens”.
This is anecdotal, but when I got my very first job interview at a somewhat big local company back when I was 19, the interviewer was apparently very eager to hire me, until I mentioned the salary topic, then her face changed from excited to like “rude, we’re not hiring this guy” almost immediately.
I would name drop them if I remembered the company name.
They ghosted me tho
Why do HR people seem to think that anyone’s primary motivation for working is something other than the paycheck?
I have absolutely loved my last three jobs. Some days at my best job didn’t even feel like work at all. But I would not keep going back if they stopped paying me.
TBH, I could accept a lower wage (but not by much, and certainly not under minimum wage) if they offered a good work environment, reasonable hours or other niceties, but this was probably not the case
The job I referred to as “my best job” was also the lowest-paying. Great work environment, awesome hours, decent benefits.
But I would not have continued going there to do my job if they stopped paying me.
How do I upvote this twice?
I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position
They’ll just ask the government for more immigrant visas since no Americans will work for them. Sort of like US farm labor operates today.
the c-suite wouldve likely bounced before that happens. they usually get the heads up before the company goes under.
the C-suite having to do everything
In seconds, how long do you think the company would last?
If it were the c-suite at the company I work at they’d go under in less than a month, they are all nepo hires and dumb as bricks.
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I’d say they answered the question about the culture.
And the salary
Salary: no
In Canada, LMIA had been abused to such an extent the foreign workers were paying the employers to establish a foothold in the country.
Most companies nowadays decide to go with the bosses nephew.
They don’t like talking about it because every interested candidate becomes uninterested immediately after hearing the pay sucks, the hours suck, and the culture is awful.
You see, we only hire the biggest suckers round here.
That’s literally what at least 30 years of job interview advice has been encouraging people to ask during an interview
As a manager I’ll give you their thought process and from a mangers perspective it makes sense (albeit still wrong) and you DEFINITELY wouldn’t say it to the applicant.
Managers want robots that do their job and don’t call them out on their bullshit or question the decisions they make or their salary. That way they don’t have to give raises or address issues. When you ask questions on the interview that lead them to believe you are educated and stand up for yourself they don’t want to introduce you into their work bubble of other robots or it would start a rebellion. Hope this helps.
Sounds like you had some shitty managers. That’s about as dumb as saying that all people interviewing are lazy people with no work ethics and just want to do nothing and get paid.
Based on this screenshot the candidate dodged a bullet because this particular manager/company sounds terrible.
It really depends on the type of job. If you are doing a cog-in-the-machine job like anything in retail, gastronomy or customer support, it’s exactly like Pacattack57 described.
I’m a retail manager and I’ve experienced shitty bosses in previous jobs too, and I don’t want my team to feel like a cog in a machine. I make sure my staff can come to me with anything and I’ll be transparent with them, because nobody deserves that kind of treatment if you’re trying to put in work for someone/somewhere. Turns out if your team are happy and trust you, they can even more productive! Who knew, right? 😅
If a candidate didn’t ask any questions at all in an interview, that’s more of a red flag to me because it can show they’re not even interested.
Sounds like you had some shitty managers.
Or some great robots.
As a manager, I disagree.
Anyone that isn’t asking basic shit about the job is either an idiot or dishonest and I don’t want them on my team. Provide honest answers to these questions immediately, ESPECIALLY work culture and responsibilities. Salary may not be appropriate at this specific stage in the interview, but if it’s the third round or later, it needs to be discussed.
EDIT: depends what type of team you manage I think…
I find it odd that US has this taboo of asking about salary during the first interview. I personally would not bother with a vacancy if the salary is not mentioned before applying or at least during the first conversation. Hiding such crucial information is seen as dishonest and a waste of time for both parties. I don’t care how amazing your work culture is or how passionate you as a company are about what you do if your pay sucks. No matter how many interviewing rounds you want to try and convince me you are awesome.
Third round lmao what you guys hiring for, président ?
Engineering
Fair enough, long set are the days when a diploma meant something and now we have to ask interviewers which labubus they own type shit
In my experience each round is interviewing with different people, or different teams. It’s not three rounds with one person / team.
What job would I ever apply for that I didn’t have at least a ballpark for compensation to begin with?
I’m not going to go through the entire interview process only to then find out that they are offering half of what I’m looking for.
Sure I understand the company may not be able to give an exact price because what they’re prepared to offer will depend on what the other candidates are looking for and my experience level. But they should at least be able to tell me what the minimum and maximum values are, and they should at least be able to tell me approximately where I lie within that. If I have 10 plus years of experience in the industry then I would expect to be on the high end of that salary band, if you as a manager disagree, then that’s something we’re going to have a talk about right now.
I’m a manager and I do not think like that at all. I want people with the right skillset who can do their job well without babysitting, and I strive to pay them as much I can with the budget.
It’s so fucking hard to find someone who’s not a fucking idiot that if I get one I’ll do everything I can to make sure they stay.
I also find that people that ask those kinds of questions are genuinely interested in working here. People that don’t ask those questions leave within a year.
This is exactly why it should be legally mandated to discuss those things during the interview process.
I’ve found that bad managers tend to think that they are looking for an ideal candidate. That candidate is mind numbingly obsessed with working for them that they will degrade themselves for the opportunity to work for their company. Like they hear fake stories from CEOs and influencers about how when they were working they worked all day every day and skipped lunch to make sure they were the best employee in the company and believe that if you just interview hard enough you’ll find that golden idiot.
As soon as you deviate from that, the manager tells themself “well, this person asked about the work hours and overtime policy, clearly they aren’t ready to work 10 hours a day for no extra pay.” And anyone they do hire will never be enough.
If this is the kind of worker you want you should probably be pursuing an AI or real robotics to do your job and that of your underlings.
Have you ever managed to get robots? I feel like the managers dream of effective and obedient workers is impossible. It’s like the triangle.
You have competence, cheapness, and honesty, pick 2.
Is the workers being done and they are doing so cheaply then you can guarantee they’re either stealing from you or would be perfectly happy to take bribes.
If you’ve got an honest effective workforce then you’re going to have to pay for it.
And if you’ve got a cheap and honest workforce they are absolutely not doing the job correctly (and you’re probably hiring consultants from Bangladesh or something)
