• fox2263@lemmy.world
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    There should be an open communication standard that all robots use to communicate with each other.

    And it will only be used for good and nothing nefarious.

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      There should be an open communication standard that all robots use to communicate with each other.

      Yes!

      And it will only be used for good and nothing nefarious.

      Oh no

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      Aside from the obvious I, Robot movie allusion, this idea doesn’t really work in the real world because robots have to be able to detect the presence and anticipate the actions of non-robots anyway. Unless you’re willing to ban all the actual people from the street, which is unreasonable, robot-to-robot communication doesn’t actually help you.

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        Robots can look different to people, if they know where each other are then they csn prioritise a collision with a robot over a human etc.

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    The laws of robotics:

    1. A robot shall never harm a human, or through inaction allow a human to come to harm.
    2. Fuck other robots though. Fuck them right up.
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    As it turns out, the impact wasn’t too severe. The Waymo cab, to its credit, hit the brakes immediately and avoided knocking the poor little thing over. And moments later, while the robotaxi is still in a daze, the Serve robot drives away like nothing happened.

    Smash seems to be overselling it.

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    Little robot crossed against the signal, and couldn’t navigate the curb, big robot cali rolled the right turn and didn’t yield to the pedestrian walk way. What a shit show. Glad it wasn’t someone in a wheel chair.

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        Not quite.

        We’d need the waymo cab to start screaming about how the robot just jumped right out in front of it, and how they should stay the hell out of the way.

        Then we’ll have reached parity.

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        how *Americans would behave.

        We really don’t want Americans’ autonomous vehicles here.
        sincerely,
        Europe

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          Yes, yes we do. False advertising / promises aside, autonomous vehicles will likely result in lowered accident and death rates. Until we’ve reached the point that we’ve eliminated private cars entirely, autonomous vehicles would be a step forward.

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            Absolutely not. All of that is false. Autonomous cars in the US have not shown to have a lower accident rate compared to human drivers. This whole idea of increasing speed limits will also greatly increase the fatality rate of pedestrians and bicyclists.

            As was already mentioned in the thread, autonomous cars are trained on American drivers. American drivers are so bad that they’re not allowed to drive in Europe if they’re not a tourist. Here in Sweden, the traffic fatality rate rate is 20 a year per 1 million people, and dropping. The current fatality rate in the us is 129 deaths a year per 1 million people and rising. 43000 dead a year. 0.1% of the US dies off every decade to their own shitty driving. Letting AIs trained by Americans drive cars in Europe will be a bloodbath.

            American roads are developing-country bad. I was in DC last month and saw a dozen people with children in the car, texting while driving. I emigrated out of that country and got a real driver’s license here in Sweden. Keep American car culture out of Europe.

            Every European country already has proven autonomous electric vehicles called trains, we don’t need Tesla and Google trying to sell us their shitty US version.

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      and didn’t yield to the pedestrian walk way.

      The Waymo is guilty.

      The scene was clearly visible and it hit the brake much too late at that speed.

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    You call that a smash? Stop sensationalising, come now.

    A car gently tapped a thing during a turn and came to a stop.

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    I see nobody talking about this, but aren’t the Waymo(s) trained on data which most likely did not include these robots yet?

    It seems like this is just something that’ll probably happen a lot whenever something new is introduced on the roads.

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      I don’t know about the equipment of Waymo cars, but I would be surprised if they didn’t have LIDARs or some other form of distance based environment detection.

      And that should be sufficient to implement basic obstacle detection. You don’t need to use machine learning if you can use sensors telling you that “something is too close”.

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        The article title is misleading as usual.

        The car collided after hitting the brakes, seems there wasn’t any real damage. It seems the system is designed to only lessen the impact when it detects the obstacle as non-human. If it would have recognized the robot as human, it would have probably acted differently.

        Better to hit the object and lessen the impact than to fully brake/avoid and risk worse.

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      Well, they should try to avoid any object in the road to be honest. Imagine a new toy comes out that a child is on. Sorry we killed that child l, we didn’t train it on that new toy.

      Its just an unacceptable answer to be honest.

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      but aren’t the Waymo(s) trained on data which most likely did not include these robots yet?

      You can say that about nearly 100% of humans as well.

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    Every robot should have some kind of electronic blinker to let others know they’re robots. That way, we can avoid a bunch of bumps and crashes.