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    How the fuck would the dnc generate a lefty candidate? Thats like asking the circus to generate something other than a clown.

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    Man, you really just have to post “I refuse to support genocide” to bring the blue maga nazis out of the woodwork.

    It’s very simple: I refuse to support genocide.

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      And genocide marches on, entirely unaffected by your lack of support. Good thing there weren’t any other policies “blue maga” differed on, right?

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    After working for the DNC for free for years and most of my calls being right, they can suck my fucking dick never again the amount of fucking consulting fees other people squeezed out of those pricks meanwhile I’m basically unemployable because of my politics, I’m not even a fucking american.

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    If the electoral system only lets you choose leaders who don’t align with the majority, it’s not a democracy. It’s a dictatorship with extra steps.

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    It’s not even generate a candidate that doesn’t support genocide, it’s literally just not stand in the way of or conspire against such a candidate, but naturally the DNC and their controlled opposition functionaries can’t even manage to do the right thing by doing nothing at all.

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      Mamdani: “Hey, people really seem to resonate with this message and will hand you an easy, landslide win.”

      DNC, publicly: “How about you go fuck yourself?”

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      new dnc chair totally promises they won’t this time, please pay no attention to their constant and immediate attacks on anyone in dnc trying to move the party left or learn from 2024

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    I’m not that sure that history will give a shit about US American Democrats or US American Republicans.

    Those labels will be lost. “US American” concentration camps, disappearing citizens, ignoring court orders, death squads … there will be no “oh that was just the Republicans”; it will be “oh that was just the Americans”.

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    Maybe we don’t deserve a country if we can’t elect a non corrupt person (from either side).

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      I mean, the DNC supports genocide. Trump is worse, which is really a testament to how phenomally bad he is for just about everyone on the planet. I want progressive democrats on the ballot, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m still going to vote, and I’m going to vote for the least bad option.

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        Thats precisely what the DNC counts on when they ratfuck progressives. The only reason we got Biden to step down and Kamala to pick Walz was the DNC couldn’t delude themselves into thinking they could win. Once Kamala’s popularity spiked and they told themselves the left, black people, and/or women would do as they are told, they went back to business as usual.

        We need to be screaming from now to 2028 that any candidate who does not support free healthcare, abolition of ICE, and zero weapons for Israel is unelectable.

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          We need to be screaming from now to 2028 that any candidate who does not support free healthcare, abolition of ICE, and zero weapons for Israel is unelectable.

          The DNC does not care if their candidate is electable. They only care that their candidate is not a progressive.

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          The only reason Biden stepped down when he did was that the DNC wanted to avoid a primary they knew Kamala wouldn’t win. They waited until she was the only viable candidate. It wasn’t delusion, it was strategy. It was terrible strategy, but I also think that’s part of the strategy. We didn’t “get” Biden to step down. We failed to get rid of him soon enough for it to matter.

          The problem is that there aren’t enough voters who support free healthcare, abolition of ICE, and zero weapons for Israel. We need leadership to make the argument for those policies, and those leaders are simply lacking. There are more every day, and I will fight with everything I have to support them, but they are going to keep losing for a while. Our fight is long, and we plant the trees that will shade our decendents when we are long buried. And in the meantime, there will be an election, and you will make a choice. Choose something you can live with, because it will have an impact on the world. If you choose not to participate, you are still equally responsible for the outcome.

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            there aren’t enough voters who support free healthcare, abolition of ICE, and zero weapons for Israel

            Nah, that requires intentionally misleading polls. Ask someone on the street “Do you think healthcare should be free” or even “should every single american have healthcare” and you will get overwhelming agreement. To get people to disagree you have to do bullshit like “Do you want the government to take away your health insurance” or something. Same with abolition of ICE and weapons for Israel. The only people who want ICE coming to their neighborhood and dragging off their neighbors or Israel bombing brown people are never going to vote dem.

            There are no voters who will vote for means-tested subsidies for insurance companies that you buy through 1 of 50 online marketplaces or through your employer, but won’t vote for free healthcare.

            There is a shitton of voters who will vote for free healthcare, but will assume whatever compromised centrist solution the neolibs come up with will not help them.

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              “Do you think healthcare should be free?” is not the same question as “Do you care enough about free healthcare to vote for a candidate who supports it?” Voters are largely uninformed, unengaged, and only rarely do more than show up to vote if they bother to do that.

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                The number of people who will show up for free healthcare is greater than the number who will show up for complicated tax credits for PEL grant recipients who operate a business in an under-served neighborhood for 5 years and were born on a prime numbered date, and make between 20 and 40K/year and submit 12 pages of paperwork.

                Hell when I was phone-banking for Biden in 2020, half the people I was contacted listed free healthcare and freeing the ICE camps as reasons they were going to vote.

                They thought they were voting for progressive policy, the opposite of that happened. Further disengagement is expected result of not doing everything in your power to help your base.

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                  Further disengagement is expected result of not doing everything in your power to help your base.

                  The DNC thinks its base is netanyahu and two cheneys. Well, one cheney now.

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        be sure to remember that you always have more than 2 options.

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          With our current voting system, you really don’t, and the third option is rarely a significant upgrade. Ironically, third party candidates have a better chance during midterms because of low voter turnout, especially in local elections. The focus on this particular midterm means it is even harder for downballot third party or independent candidates, because the rank and file are going to show up to the polls.

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            our voting system is a false dichotomy that’s been manufactured by both the republicans and democrats legally squeezing out alternatives as much as possible and socially manipulating our perceptions of a third option for decades.

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            As the US Empire continues to decay, and neither party is capable of rescuing it, support for abandoning the system altogether and adopting a new one will rise.

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              I would have thought you were right, but we’re eyebrow deep in this shit. The human capacity for ignoring a problem in favor of remaining comfortable has shaken my faith in humanity. I hope you’re right.

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                I feel like so many people aren’t necessarily ignorant to the problems, we just don’t know what to do about it. I keep seeing posts suggesting Americans are supposed to be uprising but by doing exactly what? I don’t want to be defeatist, but I legit don’t know what the plan is supposed to be. Voting doesn’t seem to be working, and apparently it’s going to be even less effective soon.

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                  In order for an uprising to be long-lasting and survivable, it needs to be supplied, sustained and coordinated by dense mutual aid networks. Every participant needs to be clothed, fed, sheltered, trained, cared for and organized. The supplies and knowledge you need to do that, the institutionalized capacity, are the products of relationships. The big reason we currently have such a hard time helping each other is that all the relationships of production that have traditionally sustained human life, have been parisitized by capital. Rather than going down to see the medicine woman, we sell our labor to a boss for a wage, and use that wage to purchase medicine made by people who are doing the same thing to afford food and housing.

                  Essentially, the web of productive human relationships that make up society have been broken and reformed into a one-way connection between individuals and capital. Rather than a resilient web, we are each points on a wheel, with spokes that go inwards to capital and touch nothing else. All relationships have been subsumed in this way, all goods and services have been monetized, which makes it terrifyingly easy to cut off anyone by cutting off their relationships to capital (which is what every homeless person has experienced: banishment by lack of money).

                  The first necessary step in creating a movement capable of overthrowing capitlaism is to re-establish these old relationships, no matter how small or casual they may be at first. These tentative connections are like neurons that can later direct and support the development of true muscle. Start socialist groups in your community based around causes and/or skills, make connections with other groups, agitate for causes together, weave your organization into the greater musculature of proletarian power and self-suffieciency. The gardening/foraging club you start today will teach the revolutionaries of tomorrow how to feed themselves without a grocery store, and when you repeat that with everything, when you couple it with strong unions in a position to seize control of more complex production, you have something massive and organic that is beginning to detach itself from capitalist control.

                  And definitely learn to defend yourself. You don’t need to be John Wick, but if every member of a 10 person group becomes 5% less fuckwtihable, the whole group is 50% less fuckwithable.

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                Americans on average are far better off than is necessary for people to risk trying to overthrow their government. Most of them still have a place to sleep and food to eat. There’s no guarantee that will remain the case indefinitely.

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        voting for any non-progressive candidate perpetuates this system that’s controlled by baby raping/eating/killing oligarchic billionaires.

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          Not voting for any candidate because none of them are progressive enough perpetuates the same system. How are you helping by not voting for the lesser evil?

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            “Those who choose the lesser evil are all too quick to forget that they chose evil”

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              No, I remember, and I’m fighting to remove evil from the next ballot. But I also know I’m not going to be successful, and I’m not naive enough to think that I can fix everything by myself. You can be mad about the choices and still choose.

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              Politics is a spectrum, and theoretically there is a candidate even for you that would still support genocide and also be progressive enough to earn your vote.

              Edit: Yes, downvote me, but tell me who you voted for in the most recent election at any level, and I’ll point to the genocide they supported.

              Edit 2: Lot of people telling me progressive candidates are on every ballot, but nobody has yet to name a single candidate. One person mentioned a party that fielded three total candidates nationwide in all races in the 2024 election, one of whom was a Presidential candidate that could not mathematically win because she wasn’t on enough ballots. Most Americans were unable to find her name on their ballot, and the overwhelming majority of Americans did not have any PSL representation on their ballots at any level.

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            There’s always actual progressives on the ballot. It’s just too many have fallen for the “lesser evil” brainwashing that they fail to see it. It’s no different than the red scare crap we’re still trying to kill.

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              As a lifelong progressive who has voted in every election in the past 26 years, no there are not always actual progressives on the ballot. But your point that we should support them when there is one progressive, even when they cannot hope to win, is also fallacious. Sometimes they could win with our support, and sometimes they could not. Vote accordingly.

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            I believe you can make the case for either option (lesser evil or third party) and either is definitely better than not voting, but I’m of the view that voting is a negligible part of our political involvement that gets too much attention, organizing is a lot more necessary and effective, otherwise things will never improve

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              Absolutely this is a critical point. If you want better candidates, create them. Forge them and support them. Attend townhalls and demand answers from candidates. That’s the time to shape the race. Once you enter the voting booth, it’s far too late to try to fix everything with one choice.

              I like the quote from Gandhi, “Whatever you do in life will be insignificant but it is very important that you do it…” I think that applies to voting. One vote may be insignificant, or it may be everything. You won’t know, and you may never know for sure. But if you don’t vote, it is definitely nothing.

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            there’s always a progressive candidate and you should always vote; just be aware that both the republican and democratic parties are actively perpetuating this system.

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                there always is; it’s just that you’re not made aware of the progressive candidate’s existence.

                in cases where it doesn’t seem like there’s one, you have to search for him/her/them yourself.

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                  I’m not just searching for them, I’m canvassing and donating to them, but there simply aren’t progressive options in every race in every district. And even some nominally progressive candidates will support genocide if it is politically expedient. Politics is the slow boring of hard boards, and one of those boards right now is global human rights, and we’re not even halfway through it. You get through with constant pressure and effort. You can’t always get what you want.

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        @themeatbridge yep

        voting is not a marriage proposal, it’s a chess move towards a better future.

        I still want everyone at the DNC leadership to choke and die, soonest.

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          it’s a chess move towards a better future.

          The expected move from progressives is always “forfeit.”

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          chess moves implies control and voting for the lesser evil isn’t a strategic move; it’s just hoping that the piece you think you’re forced to move does the least amount of damage.

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              Stop gaslighting anyone who doesn’t immediately accept your pro-genocide-and-nothing-else-ever bullshit.

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              the majority have been employing your chess strategy for decades and here we with so many people not voting that there aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference anymore.

              end the game while there’s still time before climate change to fucks everyone.

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    Rhetorical: Omg again? With same exact picture? In not really political comm?

    (Disclaimer: not US citizen)

    Go and vote in primaries for candidates you want, so maybe you get someone decent (so “no matter who” part is eliminated), apply pressure to them right now. Until you have enough power and support to create new party from scratch (and have it catch third of population instantly somehow, including republicans) or overthrow current system altogether, you have to work within it.

    Also: in famous thought experiment, named Trolley problem, do you call yourself murderer (genocider) if you decide to push the lever?

    I myself had different and conflicted opinions during those years, arguments for voting blue and third party (or abstaining) both look quite convincing, at least for not well versed in politics me. Ugh.

    Looking forward to mod award on this post.

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    Being able to say “I’m not going to vote if there is no progressive candidate, I don’t care if republicans win again” must be nice when you’re not the one being actively hunted down by ICE. But hey, at least you’ll have a good view at immigrants being detained and sent to another alligator alcatraz from your high horse.

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      You do know that ICE existed under Biden & Obama? That their ICE was also hunting down people? That democrats were separating families and had huge outdoor camps and had kids in cages? That ICE agents have been raping people held in their facilities since at least 2007? That ICE was been detaining citizens way before now (one guy couldn’t even get damages for wrongful imprisonment because he was wrongly detained so long that the statute of limitations passed, this was under Obama https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/ice-detained-a-u-s-citizen-named-davino-watson-for-three-years.html)? Only difference between red & blue ICE is the amount of hubbub it makes for white folks

      Also Biden’s & Obama’s FBI didn’t arrest Epstein. I could say Clinton’s too but we already know why

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      i’m the kind of person that ice is actively hunting down (and was caught back in the 1980’s by ice’s predecessor) and refusing to vote for a pro-empire candidate; trump or not; is the only way to reverse ice’s existence.

      ice has been an incoming thing since 2001. the republicans have accelerated it, the democrats are actively refusing to abolish or reverse it, so supporting either democrats or republicans will not reverse it.

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        actually, from a historical perspective, it’s been the Dems who have accelerated ICE. Biden and especially Obama were much more instrumental in the agency coming into more and more power. Trump’s getting to play with the toy now, but it was bought by Dems.

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      Liberal nazification has progressed to the point where “not endorsing the r@pe and genocide of millions” is now “being on a high horse”.

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      The United States is a strange country. Murder, terrorism and genocide are perfectly normal, but someone who is disgusted by these and refuses to play along is somehow considered weird.

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      Being able to vote blue no matter who and going back to brunch with the only change being LGBT flavoured concentration camps and bombs going to to Israel must be nice. Blue MAGA mindset is disgusting

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        So you’ll choose the greater of two evils then? You’d knowingly inflict more suffering on more people so you can maintain some sense of moral superiority?

        Or are you a plant, here to intentionally discourage people from choosing the lesser of two evils and lesson overall suffering?

        Because, let’s be honest, there not a whole lot USians can actually do in the face of their government. Actually standing up to, and fighting the government which would be the actually best thing, is absolutely terrifying to the average person.

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          You aren’t asking a big enough question to actually grasp what the lesser evil even is.

          The first question you really want to ask is “what is the primary contradiction?” We can discuss what that might be, US hegemony or Western imperialism or neocolonialism, but this will inform our understanding of how we should vote. Only once we identify the primary contradiction should we cast our votes in whatever way will advance the struggle against it.

          Let’s say we identify US hegemony as the primary contradiction. Does voting for Harris help advance the struggle against US hegemony? No! She would have been a fine steward of the empire, if she was president the hegemon would be in better shape than it is under Trump and the struggle against it would be even harder.

          Trump is wrecking the empire, and in light of this, Trump winning is actually a lesser evil. What we see under Trump is the US pulling back from all of its soft-power while threatening its own allies. Yes, it has become more violent, but the violence isn’t a sign of strength. The US is in a weaker position than it has ever been in my life. All is chaos under heaven, the situation is excellent.

          But, if Trump winning was the lesser evil, does that mean we vote for Trump? Also no! It’s important for him to not actually ever be popular within the US, because that also erodes his own legitimacy among the US population and makes the US itself harder to govern. The fact that he “won” with 49.9% of the vote isn’t the best outcome, better would be losing the popular vote again, but it’s still good because forcing USAmericans to confront the weakness of their elections also weakens its position as the hegemon. They look at their own elections, look at Trump winning twice without ever getting a majority, and ask “do we live in a democracy?”

          (The answer is no by the way.)

          His unpopularity is why there was an uprising against ICE in Minnesota. There wouldn’t even be protests against ICE if Harris was president, and there weren’t under Biden despite him deporting more than Trump in his first term, but under Trump people can easily see what they have always been: colonial occupation troops. Under Democrats the streets are empty, under Trump the people fight back. The BLM uprisings happened under Trump, but it was Bill Clinton that gave us the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 to fill the prisons with Black people. This has to be factored in when we ask what the lesser evil is.

          They’re both great evils, so identifying the primary contradiction is the only way we can identify what is to be done.

          Notably, this is not accelerationism. The goal here isn’t to make things worse so they get better. The goal is to make the US empire weaker, because we have identified US hegemony as the primary contradiction and that’s what we are struggling against. Revolutionary defeatism, in other words.

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          The lesser evil is actually a mass armed uprising, but you privileged fascists-in-denial reject that course out of hand because it might personally inconvenience you, and would rather knowingly support Holocaust 2 than lift a finger for humanity.

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            And how many evil people in power have you killed? Have you taken up arms against your government? Have you attempted to begin organising an uprising?

            If it’s the lesser of two evils, be the change you want to see in the world.

            But you will never do that for the same reason there hasn’t been a big mass uprising. It’s fucking scary.

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              You guys always cope any acknowledgement of what’s gonna have to be done with “I will not stop caping for genocide until you provide me your exact actionable information plus detailed plans for insurrection” ok officer, would you prefer a pdf or a text document?

              Lets be real, I could give you every detail and you would still look for reasons to decide it pales in comparison to your strategy of uh…going 99% Hitler to win elections and still losing.

              Join your local communist party and start organizing with your neighborhood like the rest of us, dude. I promise it’s less scary when you’re not alone. As it stands, you chose evil over courage.

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                And you’re not achieving shit either.

                There’s not a whole lot I can achieve here from Australia. But have you actually done anything that will contribute to change? I somehow doubt it.

                You say that “I will not lift a finger to defy genocide until you provide me with detailed plans for insurrection”.

                But the fact that you have no plans for insurrection is telling. If you can’t come up with a realistic and actionable plan that a large enough people will go for, how can you expect people to start a resistance? People don’t like uncertainty, that’s just basic human psychology.

                If I were American, and people had a realistic and actionable plan I’d like to think I’d be all for it. But after all this time of all the bullshit from the US government and there still not being actual realistic talk of insurrection, might just mean that it’s a little unrealistic.

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                  You say that “I will not lift a finger to defy genocide until you provide me with detailed plans for insurrection”.

                  Yeah. That was unfair. You won’t lift a finger to defy genocide under any circumstances whatsoever.

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            The choice is more genocide or slightly less genocide. Put forth a reasonable and actionable third option that is better and I’d be all for it. But with the way the US government works, that’s unrealistic. Unless you actually have a realistic and actionable way to change it, that a large enough group will actually go for you have no choice but to work within the shirty system that the government has.

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              The choice between genocide and slightly less genocide is no choice at all. That’s like asking someone to choose between being stabbed in the lung or the heart. Both are likely to kill you. Any reasonable person in that situation would be doing everything in their power to find another way. Arguing that being stabbed in the lung is somehow the rational choice is ridiculous.

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                Then fucking present a realistic and actionable third chois? Why is this so difficult? This has been an issue for years, but where are the realistic third options?

                You haven’t present one because you can’t. All of your “solutions” or “better options” are either unrealistic on not actionable.

                If I were in a situation where I had to pick between being stabbed in the lung or the heart and there are no realistic alternatives that are likely to increase my odds of survival, I’d choose my lung and hope I can get medical attention in time. You’ve basically given a variation of the trolley problem here.

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                  Okay that’s cool, thanks for accepting this treatment. Now it’s election time again, would you like to be stabbed in the heart once, or twice?

                  Now it’s election time again, would you like to be stabbed in the heart twice, or three times?

                  Three times, or shot in the head?

                  Shot in the head once, or twice?

                  You are a frog in boiling water

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                  The actionable choice has nothing to do with voting. It has everything to do with organizing, be it in your workplace or your community. You have to create structures that can actually hamstring the power of the state to oppress you and those you care about. You can argue these are unrealistic or not actionable but history shows us that this is actually how progress is made. Even in the US the abolitionist movement, labor movement, and the civil rights movement did not win their demands through strategic voting.

                  If you want to argue that getting stabbed in the lung is more survivable… okay sure. But you’re an idiot if you think fighting back and trying to disarm your attacker isn’t the rational choice, especially when Americans by and large can’t just pick up and leave. It’s fight or flight but you’re here arguing for people to just accept their demise.

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        No matter how you spin there’s an obvious worse option because the alternative (including resigning to vote) includes that and more.

        Obviously there should be a straight up better option that doesn’t include that but you’ve gotta pick the best option out of those you’re dealt. A small step towards good, even if just a side step is better than leaping head first into the maw of evil. Something your votes do give you some agency over.

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          If genocide is bipartisan, the lesser evil is whichever will collapse the US the fastest.

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          That and more being shown in the media

          The actual imperial policy doesn’t change.

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      This is written as if you’re trying to imply the other party is offering to dismantle ICE.

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    ‘Lol but everyone knows midterms and primaries arent important!’

    (Proceeds to complain about quality of candidates during the presidential)

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      ‘Lol but everyone knows midterms and primaries arent important!’

      You sure beat the shit out of that strawman. If you’d had primaries in 2024, we might not be in this mess.

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      It’s less that the midterms and primaries aren’t important, and more that the candidates allowed in them are not even passable.

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    At this point staying home helps Trump. It’s the fucking reason he’s there. Trump votes stayed consistent with 2020 but Dems votes dropped by millions. You saying Harris would be just as bad? This view is pushed by billionaires to help get fascists elected.

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      Top Democratic officials who worked on the party’s still-secret autopsy of the 2024 election concluded that Kamala Harris lost significant support because of the Biden administration’s approach to the war in Gaza, Axios has https://web.archive.org/web/20260223002443/https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza

      Wow, maybe dont run pro-genocide candidates if you want your base to Vote for you? Or do you think the cult-like devotion of the republicans is a positive democrats should follow?

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        i fear that they tried to suppress it because they planned on trying the same strategy again in 2028.

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        Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

        I’m not a US citizen but I still act similar in my local elections - vote for the candidate that will do less evil when they’re in office, if there is no better option. And I gotta hand it to the DNC they’re really amazing at just cutting off their own legs. Because shooting themselves in the knee can’t describe this.

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          Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

          You’re the guy in the meme. So devoted to genocide that you can’t imagine a better option.

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            Not devoted to genocide - but rather when wanting better candidate (a real socialist candidate that does not support the war machine) but instead getting a sock puppet I’d rather try to have the sock puppet instead of letting worse people win.

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              You have two years to get a candidate that doesn’t support the genocide you totally aren’t devoted to.

              Try not to be the guy in the meme in your reply.

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          Then again what is the other Option?

          Insane levels of Stockholm syndrome on display. “It puts the genocide on the skin, or else it gets the Trump again.”

          What should the German people have done when Hitler rose to power? Knowing what we know now, what would have been the best “option” for them?

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          vote for the candidate that will do less evil when they’re in office, if there is no better option.

          Im sorry but thats just a losing strategy, if you dont demand better, you will never get better as a choice

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          Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

          Or, just run a non-genocidal candidate. For God’s sake, the election is years away, and you just take it as obvious that Democrats will choose a monster

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          Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?

          you should always vote and only vote for the most progressive candidate available; do not settle for the lesser evil.

          we’ve been voting for the lesser evil for decades and here we are w trump in the white house and so many liberals disaffected by the system that there aren’t even enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference.

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      Then the Democrats shouldn’t run candidates that will cause millions of people to stay home.

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      approximately 10 million and the dems still refuses to change their game, but it’ll be worse next time because of epstein and iran… in addition to gaza.

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          They will be shown as many times as it takes for you to demand better than blue hitler

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            Ok. Enjoy your trump then. All of it. All were saying is right the boat first, then fix the problem. Guess hitting the iceberg is an ‘acceptable loss’.

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              You think genocide of the Other is an acceptable price to pay to delay having to fight fascism. You have rolled over and collaborated with the nazis because resistance is unfathomable to you. You are a nazi collaborator, and no amount of projecting that guilt will change what you signed your name to.

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          it’s not about retribution, it’s about complicity w genocides; wars for profit; and baby raping/killing/eating.

          people are slowly becoming disaffected and now there’s so many who won’t participate that aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference.

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              they’re not stupid, they’re disaffected and ignoring why they’re disaffected will lead to more people not voting.

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              You’re not going to make genocide popular. What we might be able to do is make the DNC run a candidate that people will vote for.