Is it about perception or making people forget? I don’t think it makes sense to have it both ways, the perception created by a death trial keeps this in people’s minds and runs contrary to making people forget.

If they wanted to memory-hole him they should have just shot for a long sentence, like 40 years or something. Life ruining but ultimately uninteresting for the average voter. By sending a message they force people to remember; “Oh yeah, a CEO got murdered on the street. Wasn’t that cool?”

Okay, but they could accomplish that by not attempting to seek the death penalty. If they simply tried to imprison him for 40 years the exact same effect would be achieved, but without grabbing headlines.

We’re going to see an exodus of foreign born students and it’s going to hit college towns hard.

“”“typos”“”

Okay, but Fox does exist and it’s not going to be outlawed any time soon. Not having a response to Fox is liberal idealism.

It’s one of the reasons we’re in this situation.

Do you prefer Democrats being unable to fight back because any attempt to do so would be smeared by the media? It’s not like corporate media is unbiased, they just aren’t biased towards Democrats.

One of the Democrats’ greater failures is the lack of a Party media infrastructure that they could use to control the narrative. Republicans have Fox and the right-wing media ecosystem, but Democrats never bothered to capture their own media to push their own message and agenda.

There are definitely friendly media groups, but they’re not loyal. They just happen to agree with Democrats more than Republicans. If the government shut down they’d turn on Democrats.

Only one party has media control and so only one party controls the message. I have no doubt that Democrats would have failed to defend themselves if they voted against Republicans - but that speaks to their failure to make their own media more than the vote itself.

It’s like they want jury nullification.

If it’s lose/lose, why didn’t they choose to lose with dignity instead of lose like cowards?

Different administration controlled by a different party and before they reformulated the Hannibal Directive in 2016.

That said, Hamas probably did make a strategic mistake by thinking Israel would give a shit about its people, but in so doing they also achieved another strategic objective - the heightening of contradictions within Israeli society by showing Israeli citizens how little their government cares about them and how willing it is to kill them for a strategic advantage. They also managed to show the world that Israel is a rogue state and it has become more isolated than ever before as a direct result.

We’ll see how this works out in the long run, but don’t discount Oct 7th as a failure just yet.

Yeah, this framing is all wrong. It portrays Trump’s regime as incompetent, but the reality is that they’re just lying. “Oops, soo sorry, it’s out of our hands!”

Israel doesn’t give a fuck about any of its people, whether they’re civilians or soldiers. There’d be no difference if the kidnapped were all soldiers.

Also the thing about international law is it has to apply to everyone or it doesn’t exist. Israel, by not following internatonal law, has forfeited its protections. Hamas simply followed the same rules of war that Israel does. Israel brought this on themselves.

the rest mindless slaughter

Hasbara. Hamas wanted hostages and had no incentive to commit “mindless slaughter” - they’re not mindless demons. It’s likely the majority of the deaths were from the Hannibal Directive, which is why Israel won’t let the UN conduct an investigation.

Look on the bright side; he’s fat and old and doesn’t believe in exercise and loves fast food.

How does Hamas holding hostages justify bombing hospitals and schools?

Also, the ceasefire was meant to be a hostage exchange. Israel gives up hostages in exchange for the hostages Hamas took. Israel decided it didn’t want to give up any more hostages and violated the ceasefire agreement.

I’ll ask again: how is that relevant to the fact that Israelis love blowing up hospitals and schools?

How is that relevant to the fact that Israelis love blowing up hospitals and schools?

All the schools and hospitals in the world aren’t going to stop people from harming each other. Get it?

Reeducation and rehabilitation you stupid shitbag, why is this so hard for you to understand?

Talking to you is self harm.

They’re nasty pieces of shit when they don’t have to look at the person they’re hurting or putting in danger, but that only supports my theory. There’s an empathy disconnect that’s created when there isn’t a human face or voice immediately in front of them. Once they aren’t in danger of an in-person interaction all the venom comes out. Online, that’s basically all of our interactions.

I should point out the phenomenon where a minority in a community will magically become “one of the good ones” so that the bigots can continue hating minorities while empathizing with their neighbor. This is also becoming less common as we grow more isolated from each other and everyone moves online, destroying the potential for that face-to-face interaction.

So… we go all the way back to my previous point where I said you think it’s okay to imprison people for life even with the possibility that they are innocent.

I said to keep the prisons open until we replace them. That necessarily means we aren’t imprisoning people for life, because the prisons will close. We just hold them for the length of time it takes to replace the prisons with schools and hospitals.

Get it?

Also I don’t know where you got the idea that I actually support life imprisonment? I only said it’s better than the death penalty.

I keep repeating myself because you seem to be willfully misunderstanding me over and over.

But people are polite to your face. On the internet there’s no face, so that goes away.

I think part of that comes from empathy, though obviously part also comes from fear of confrontation and habit. It all adds up to offline interactions being far less hostile than on the Internet because they’re not face-to-face.

This is also known as Internet Fuckwad Theory.