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    We all may feel some impulse to act, even violently, but have a great feeling of uncertainty because there are no leaders. We need direction based off of game theory, or something. We need strategies that are surgical, because be real — we are outgunned. Yes, there are gun owners on the left, but come on, you know who has the lion’s share. Not only that, but we are different in that we hesitate to harm, because it’s the last thing we want. My dad kills animals for pleasure, but I do not. Also, if you aren’t armed now, you better do so immediately, because the gun nuts are not going to blink an eye when we are inevitably denied access.

    We need real strategy. Daggers in a select few hearts may be enough to shift things.

    Are there organizations or groups that do this? They would have to do it in secret, so how could we know? So it seems we’d have to assume we couldn’t know and form our own? Honestly, please clue me in!

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      A mix of guerilla tactics and economic warfare (primarily strikes) and sabotage and etc ought to get it done!

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    You don’t have to watch the videos.

    You’re going to watch a man getting killed. That’s not good for your mental health. You can just take a pass here and not watch. Your watching the video is probably not going to help in any way, and it might hurt you. So, just think about your own needs before you traumatize yourself for no reason.

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      Everyone should watch the video. Ignorance is not, in fact, bliss. That man was murdered by our government because he dared to protect his fellow citizens. No one can appreciate how egregious that killing was until they see it in living color.

      Hiding from the truth because the truth is hard, is no way to live. We should all know what it happening. It will effect us all sooner than we think.

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      No, we NEED to be traumatized by this. We need to feel the visceral outrage that it takes to absolutely demand justice, OR ELSE! and mean it.

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    These are the “Life is so precious” people. Fucking losers, hypocrites and Nazis. I am up for the firing squad when this ends. We can’t allow such evil to continue. Anyone else with me?

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      I was for long prison sentences, but those that issued these orders, and those that enthusiastically carried them out, should be executed. These are your fellow citizens, there should NEVER be a situation that you are firing on your own citizens for any reason.

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    Killing ICE Officers now SEEMS like a moral good. They’ll kill you first. Well, they’ll disarm you first, then summarily execute you.

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      Acting in defense of others is a legitimate defense. When ICE comes to town, people are going to unlawfully die at their hands. Stopping them before they can murder more innocent, unarmed citizens is the civic thing to do.

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      It is, but actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military. That war may well happen even if we dont go around killing ICE, but letting them start it for no reason at all will mean more support on our side, and better odds.

      This doesn’t mean you can’t use force in self-defense, or to stop a massacre, but it does mean that just up and killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time

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        actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military.

        As opposed to the one-sided shooting-war ICE is already engaged in against the people?

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        Your point is very valid.

        However, personally (and kinda anecdotally), I doubt the US military would EVER side with ICE.

        There’s an unspoken heirarchy within those that serve in police, fire, EMD, and military services. Many of them actually have overlapping skill sets and training requirements. Meaning many military end up as officers or EMD’s. Or officers turnover to fire (there’s literal waiting lists to get into fire departments filled with ex-LE officers.)

        The point is, this heirarchy is always determined by the amount of training necessary to hold each position. Usually with EMD and Military near the top in terms of total training needed, both physically, mentally, and practically. Below that is police and fire, both requiring weeks or months of training a year, and each placing large and permanant physical and mental demands on those that manage to complete the training. Both groups usually look up with respect to EMD and Military. If not for their training, but more for the fact that EMD’s have saved officer and fire fighter lives many many times. So theirs a respect that runs very deep between all these people who choose such demanding careers.

        Especially the ones willing to put themselves through literal hell training just to possibly save lives. I cannot place enough emphasis on the possibly part. Because you have to get used to death in these jobs.

        ICE training is less than 47 days.

        Few if any in LE or FIRE respect them. Mostly because most ICE are rejected from their programs for failing training. So they are very much seen as a failure to ALL of these groups, placed in the subbasement of this heirarchy at best. Especially by the military, who have far more training requirements, yet now all earn far less than anyone dumb enough to join ICE.

        The people who’ve dedicated themselves to just having a chance to save a life, do not respect those that on a whim one month decided to cosplay as someone that’s “protecting” others. They’re an insult to pretty much anyone that actually does the job ICE barely pretends to.

        I VERY sincerely doubt anyone in the Military would be willing to protect a group of untrained cosplayers who all very likely failed to learn how to protect themselves. If anything, the human corpses ICE is unnecessarily creating very much frames them as the bad guy to ALL the people whose job it is to actually prevent corpses from happening.

        They do not have friends willing to join them. They are nothing but a national embarrassment to anyone that could.

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          Excellent post. I also believe that when it comes right down to it, the military is NOT going to back Trump’s worst instincts. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he backed down from his Greenland demands because his own military told him that they would refuse to fire upon our NATO allies.

          I want to highlight this:

          ICE training is less than 47 days.

          ICE training is exactly 47 days. Why? To honor the 47th president. Seriously.

          ICE training wasn’t a carefully considered program that happened to last 47 days. Some sycophantic loser CHOSE that number because he knew Daddy would hear about it and be pleased for a few seconds. This is the kind of thinking that is managing our nation.

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        letting them start it for no reason

        By the blood in the streets, it looks like they already have

        killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time

        Tell that to Renee Good or the guy they just disarmed and executed.

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    I have no words. I am literally speechless at what is currently happening in the US. I have to force myself to have words and they are all a mixture of vengeance and justice. Like… holly fuck.

    There is still a long way to go. A long way to go. But after all this is said and done, if there is an after, I hope you never forget these pieces of shit. I hope you force whomever comes next to hand you these people. They do not deserve jail, they deserve justice as given from the community. They are evil behind comprehension. Seems like you cannot give an inch to the right, as they will let their evilness take over and go after everyone, mercilessly.

    I hope there is good work being done on identifying and preserving whoever these evil pieces of shit, motherfuckers, morons, idiots, pedophiles, are. And when this is all done, you fucking drive all of them out of society. You bully them as long and as hard as possible.

    Pieces of shit motherfuckers.

    To my American brothers, I am truly sorry for what is happening. I don’t know the right thing to say. I want to motivate you to do what needs to be done, but at the same time, I am fully aware that it is hard.

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      Ohh, I think I see what happened. The up close angle makes it clear that “dangerous” man was trying to assist two unarmed women who were being assaulted by federal fascists after they made the fatal mistake of… maybe saying something mean (? I guess) or disrespectfully blowing whistles on a public street and trying to walk away.

      I guess Americans should really know better than to try and deescalate when fascists are in the middle of having such a fucking ball assaulting their neighbors.

      Note to all the “white knights” out there (not the ones who traded their hoods and crosses for a government issued mask and gun, just the ones that respect women): be careful not to cross the sexually frustrated terrorists when they’re out there working through their issues with women. They’ve been training their whole lives for the day somebody would actually pay them to put a woman in her place when she gets a little too sassy. It’s not fair for you to spoil it for them. /s

      What the fuck were those broads thinking anyway? They must have known there would be fatal consequences for their actions. I mean really, imagine the audacity of just walking right up to and disrespectfully whistling at a white supremacist on a public street in 2026.

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      Yeah, funny they said that when they had suffered zero casualties and inflicted some…