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It’s the sugar that makes them shit, even if you take exception to nothing else.
Also exploring ultra-processed food, which I think is against the spirit of veganism. The few vegans I know make everything themselves from stuff that’s one step away from being pulled from the ground or a plant.
The spirit of veganism is excluding consumption of things that result in animal cruelty, exploitation, or death. There is no requirement to avoid ultra-processed foods
I was a junk food Vegan for several years and only switched to a cleaner and less processed (but still vegan) diet this year after I saw my (nonvegan) parents suffering from life-threatening food-related diseases.
oreos are shit biscuits.
Two things can make Oreos not vegan:
- some flavors just aren’t (the flavors that are vegan are just accidentally vegan)
- some factories use bone-char sugar.
In both EU countries I lived, the cheapest cookies used to be cream-(or rather creme-)filled sandwich cookies. They were completely vegan and cheaper than most bread. There was nothing bad in them at all (excluding palm fat I guess).
There’s always a few products like that to be found on the bottom shelves - the cheapest and miraculously also one of the best.
As long as you think sugar is okay?
Its also gluten free
Sadly, Oreos appear to no longer be vegan - at least in right now, in Germany. For foods like cookies, instant noodles, and similar foods that are usually made in huge factories with a lot of other products, you’d see a note telling that the product may contain traces of xyz. A couple years back, you’d see that note on a pack of Oreos, ie. “may contain traces of milk” and possibly some nuts or something. These days, it says “may contain milk” which is an important distinction to make. Apparently, the factory gives themselves the leeway to substitute parts of the vegan ingredients with non-vegan ones if it’s more financially viable to them. The usual formula might be vegan, but you’d have no way of knowing if this particular batch happens to not have any non-vegan ingredients in them
The usual formula might be vegan, but you’d have no way of knowing if this particular batch happens to not have any non-vegan ingredients in them
[X] Doubt
You’re basically saying it’s ok to lie about the ingredients if it’s financially cheaper than using the ingredients listed, which sounds like weapons grade horseshit.
This isn’t a legal loophole, the disclaimer is just unregulated and might not hold up in court. All ingredients have to be listed under ingredients, if they’re contained:
https://www.lebensmittelklarheit.de/fragen-antworten/unterschied-kann-spuren-von-und-kann-xy-enthaltenThat being said, I, too, started avoiding Burger King, when their allergy information sheet contained all three versions of this disclaimer. (“May contain”, “May contain traces of” and “May be cross contained with”)
You’re saying, in Germany, that the ingredients list is a lie if the package contains an allergy warning?
Never heard of that loophole before, got a source for me to read more?
To be a little pedantic: That’s just plant-based…ism? Veganism isn’t inherently about food (although that is a big part of it ofc :3 )
It’s called “creme” because there’s no cream involved, and regular chocolate is inherently vegan.
I’m still mad at nabisco for adding soy to the Oreo recipe. And Nilla wafers.
They were my only safe cookies I didn’t have to bake myself and weren’t exorbitantly priced like “organic” brands. Now I have to pay like $8+ for a tiny pack of off brand “sandwich cookies” 😭
What’s the issue with soy? Just an allergy?
There’s no “just” about allergies, unfortunately.
One of my partners has FND and allergies/sensitivities to some super common shit that gives them seizure like symptoms.
You have no idea how hard it is to work around a combined yeast/coconut/vinegar restriction…
“Just an allergy” :-/
Yes, I have a soy allergy lol.
I think it’s in the top 7-8 common food allergies in the US, at least.
.3% of the general population.
Fairly certain Oreos are made with non vegan sugar.
I didn’t know sugar could be non-vegan.
White cane sugar is processed through
bonemealbone char to make it white.In Europe we use mostly sugar beets as base for sugar production. As far as I’m aware it’s processing is vegan. So it depends where they produce it and source their ingredients.
Wrong, imperialists are non-vegan by default.
That doesn’t make sense. Sugar is cooked to separate the molasses from the sucrose and the resulting clear sugar is what appears white. Bone meal would cause weird crystals nucleation around the powdered bone and sugar crystals would look uneven, like a chalky Sugar In The Raw large grain.
I would love to learn more about how white sugar keeps a uniform shape after bone meal processing. Food science is fascinating. Have a link?
BTW that’s only for sugar from cane sugar. In Europe we mostly use sugar beets and the processing is a little different
Sorry, it is bone char that is used, not bone meal.
https://explainthat.org/is-white-sugar-vegan-the-truth-about-bone-char/
Usually when people talk about sugar they mean beet sugar, your link is about cane sugar… Who even needs to whiten cane sugar? It’s always been yellowish
They whiten it to get… white sugar
In the Americas you basically only get cane sugar. The other way around in Europe, where it’s basically all beet sugar
Interesting.
Twinsies, almost.
The sugar is harvested from exotic cat shit.
What makes the cat shit exotic?
I happen to have a bunch. Should I take it into Antiques Roadshow?
It was a joke for people that know things ;)
While I don’t know about Oreos, ingredients also vary by region. A number of products have different ingredient lists depending on if you buy them in Canada or the US. So something that could be considered vegan/vegetarian in one region,
is notdoes not meet the requirements in the other region.I don’t think the definition of “vegan” changes across borders
To clarify, ingredients are different on each side of the border. So the same product has vegan ingredients on one side, and non-vegan ingredients on the other
I also edited my original comment to be clearer
And that is not what the otter said
That’s pretty much exactly what they said.
No they said the ingredients might change. And if there is suddenly an ingredient added or changed to one that is not vegan, the whole product is not vegan anymore.
But that does not mean the definition or vegan is changing?
