very convenient to label anyone as tankie who is against liberal zionists. No is excusing wrong doings of the iranian govt, however we need to be real here, western regime changes have never been good and particularly how this is openly israel backed is even more problematic. Not to forget govt still has support in iran and in case of regime change it would lead to catastrophic civil war - surely that wont liberate women. I dont support religious theocracy but we need to deal with reality, what happened to the “lesser of two evils” you liberals yap about all the time?

You’re forgetting that nuance is forbidden. Anyone with a nuanced point of view is obviously a fascist sympathizer /s

Just kidding, fascists and tankies alike have no concept of nuance. They’re cut from the same cloth…

From where I’m sitting, pretty much everyone in power is fucked.

Never heard of it before. From a quick search it looks like it’s an IDF policy to not allow its own soldiers to be taken as POW (all articles say kidnapped but this is language just used to illegitimatize the forces fighting Israeli oppression) by any means necessary up to and including killing its own service members.

Seems like the policy was invoked and lead to Israel murdering its own civilians at the beginning of the most recent Gaza conflict/genocide.

So yeah Israel being terrible as usual.

What were you trying to bait me into?

When I first made this comment they were up voted and the majority in the thread. Glad to see it reverse

Man, I love comparing individual violence against a state that enforces a strict legal gender apartheid.

The USSR had more progressive laws during their civil war than in peace times under Stalin. It’s a leadership question, not a peace question.

Yeah, no. Growth is achieved only through adversity. Take the US, for example. Keep things “peaceful”, you get a complacent population that manages to elect an orange rapid monkey into office. That’s progress? Sure buddy…

If you can’t believe paid shills and other bad faith operators are present on lemmy, then you’ve really not been paying much attention…

You can be my first citation

This is a garbage gotcha because you assume that I support the US policy of intervention.

I can both acknowledge that the current regime in Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and that the US has no buisness intervening.

I am equally capable of disliking the regime in Iran and the US.

If the regime falls this is great. If the US intervenes and forcibly topples the regime this is bad. As we’ve seen historically that leads to failure.

Maybe don’t support a regime that allows for raped women to be murdered?

““We either hang together, or we will hang separately.” – George Washington” – Michael Scott

I would love it if the Iranians had another revolution on their terms. However, you’re naive as hell if you think that would happen without western meddling. It’s already the root cause for most of the material conditions that cause these grievances.

Sanctions isolate Iran and actively hurt the common people. Israel and the US are constantly threatening, attacking, and doing espionage meaning the government is in constant threat and has to be more authoritarian to survive. The whole reason for the revolution was the people getting pissed at the Shah, our western puppet from before.

This has been a decades long project that you are being suckered into cheering for.

He couldn’t even fuck up covid into a scam. Like imagine making Trump brand face masks. They would have sold like hotcakes.

I’d say the current situation in Iran is comparable to civil war; support for the rebels would probably help speed up things and reduce deaths on their side.

Well it certainly would have meaning. Not likely a good outcome, of course.
Ideally we could support the protesters/rebels somehow. The idea of threatening US military action is to put more pressure on the Iranian regime with the hope that they’ll collapse and run away. Won’t work tho because they’re religious / ideological and will fight to their deaths.

By the same logic, someone should bomb strike and kill thousands doing a regime change in the tyrannical theocracy of america, their totalitarian fascism affects me more personally than Iran’s

They are doing a lot you can be sure. From sabotaging their economy every way they can, to funding any seperatists, paying informants and tools for things, smuggling and setting up clandestine internet/communication networks, tor onion beaming signals between devices and over power lines and othr such clandestine ways with encrpytion. To sponsoring agent provokareurs at demonstrations. To egging on security services and protests to violence.

All while exagerating the size and support of protests, minimizing the support and position of the regime, and exagerating the scale of crackdowns.

All while tricking security services into attacking their people and vice versa, from a position of near total compromise of electronics.

You are quite mistaken as to how deeply we are involved in fomenting unrest.

Yes not giving the US and Israel cause for more Iran war is “disgusting,” great point. That is the quality of conversation I have come to expect from the mechanized troll legions and their carpet bombing of social media campaigns with diarrhea shit.

It works on some people, the weak minded.

do you know these protests arent about women rights but economic condition? which is worse due to unfair sanctions by the fascist state of amrikkka?

Yeah it’s better to have a legal code that allows women to be stoned.

If it’s a binary choice, remind me what they have now that’s better.

You are so worried about human rights when it’s a US military target, funny how that works.

Because their government is bad, then it’s totally ok to go to war with them and try to get a different bad government. Our government has such a good track record setting up puppet regimes too, what in Iraq and Afghanistan.