The new Microsoftslop copilot key always sends the following key-sequence when pressed:

copilot key down: left-shift-down left-meta-down f23-down f23-up left-meta-up left-shift-up
copilot key up: <null>

This means there’s no real key-up event when you release the key --> it can’t be used (properly) as a modifier like ctrl or alt.

The workaround is to send a pretend key-up event after a time delay, but then you mustn’t be too slow / fast when pressing a shortcut.

tldr: AI took a perfectly working modifier key from you.

— edit —
Some keyboards apparently do the “right” thing and don’t send the whole sequence at once, you can remap those properly with keyd, see: https://github.com/rvaiya/keyd/issues/1025#issuecomment-2971556563 / https://github.com/rvaiya/keyd/issues/825

copilot key down: left-shift-down left-meta-down f23-down
copilot key up: f23-up left-meta-up left-shift-up

this will still break left-shift + remapped copilot and left-meta + remapped copilot, but RCtrl remaps should work as expected

  • RejZoR@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    5 hours ago

    But if you slap Linux on it, it just does nothing then or is it mapped as old AltGr or whatever?

    • ziggurat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      5 hours ago

      Neither, it will be as if you pressed all those keys in the list above, which will most of the time do nothing

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      5 hours ago

      Yeah, I used PowerToys and it’s now Right Control again. It was probably easier than finding drivers for Linux.

  • JayGray91🐉🍕@piefed.socialEnglish
    15·
    11 hours ago

    Noted. Do not buy used laptops with microslop cancer button.

    A shame because they’re all still good hardware. Just don’t want to deal with the cursed button.

    • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
      23·
      12 hours ago

      It is shocking difficult to buy a new laptop without one. Yes, I know about Framework, System 76, etc, but go to your local big box store and every laptop is covered in either Microsoft logos or Apple logos.

      • BorgDrone@feddit.nlEnglish
        823·
        12 hours ago

        MacBooks are frikkin amazing though. There is nothing in the PC world that even comes close.

        • youmaynotknow@lemmy.zipEnglish
          7·
          12 hours ago

          Yup, they’re ‘frikkin’ amazing at locking you in. Microslop is just chasing that with OEMs, and doing a great fucking job too.

          Now, is this every single make of laptop out there allowing this at the hardware level? How are they doing it? MoBo firmware? BIOS?

          • BorgDrone@feddit.nlEnglish
            35·
            10 hours ago

            Locking me in to what and how? It’s a laptop, a tool, not a religion. I don’t give a fuck about any of that shit as long as the OS gets out of the way, stuff just works and I can get on with my job.

        • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
          52·
          12 hours ago

          Yeah, no. I have to use a MacBook at work and there is nothing it does well that an equivalently-priced laptop from any other major PC manufacturer doesn’t do better. Performance is good, but not great, and, again, is trounced by most of its equivalents, even the Surface Book. Window management in MacOS is appalling, the built in applications range from adequate to basically unusably bad (looking at you, Safari) and every bit of it seems to have been designed to be different first and better second.

          • Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.comEnglish
            2·
            4 hours ago

            Yeah, my complaints about Apple all stem from the fact that my industry has a standard program that only runs on Macs… And every Mac I’ve used has inevitably ended up taking 4x as long to do basically anything else when compared to Windows or Linux. The only reason I ever use a Mac is because my job requires it, and even then it is only begrudgingly; if there was a way to run the program on anything else, I would have done so a long time ago.

            And yeah, I agree 100% about the “different first, better second” design choices. Lots of the most frustrating things about Macs are due to intentional design choices that Apple makes. Not because it is better for the user, but simply because it is different.

          • Creegz@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            8 hours ago

            A lot of the “different first” has to do with Microsoft patenting UI elements, methodologies and design choices. I’ve never understood why people trash Apple computers so vehemently. They’re a fairly robust software suite targeted at consumers and amateur creatives that’s tailor made to run on the hardware it ships with, if you don’t use those things that’s fine, but it doesn’t mean it’s bad.

            I’ve had laptops from almost every major manufacturer and frankly the MacBooks I’ve had stood out save for a few niche problems like dock compatibility. The only manufacturer that regularly comes even remotely close is Lenovo. My work provided dell is 4 years old, cost the same as than an equivalent Mac at the time and is trash. I get 90 minutes out of the battery if I’m lucky, trackpad feels horrible and is inaccurate, can’t do gestures reliably and is horribly unintuitive (must click on the bottom left corner to get a left click despite the whole thing being clickable (tapping works about half the time) but it’s placed so far left i think it’s made for left handed people), case is warped because the battery swelled and had to be replaced after 2 months, it bitches about the charger it was shipped with saying it’s underpowered, the screen has bleeding on many pixel clusters. Why was that thing listed so high when the Mac we bought another user at the same price still works and has only had a problem with cheap dock compatibility? Oh because it said i7, had an ssd (which failed), a “multi-touch/gesture capable” trackpad. and a numpad. This has been the general quality of 4/5 of work provided laptops, 3 were Dell, one was HP, the only good one was a Lenovo. All were business targeted models with not too dissimilar pricing from a MacBook. I als deploy a lot of machines, mostly laptops, and honestly the only ones that do not come half functional out of the box or need warranty in less than a year are Apple and Lenovo.

          • BorgDrone@feddit.nlEnglish
            26·
            10 hours ago

            Performance is good, but not great, and, again, is trounced by most of its equivalents, even the Surface Book.

            Sure, you can find an equivalent priced laptop that will beat the MBPro at one metric, but it’ll fall short on others. It’s faster but it has a cheap case , crappy trackpad, shit screen or terrible battery life, etc.

            There are very few laptops out there that are as good in every metric as a MBPro. It is simply the best total package.

  • PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    12·
    13 hours ago

    An embarrassing new low, even with the bars they’ve already set. And fitting, for this being the (egregiously multiply-) branded button to launch the shit show. Christ, this has been a fucking carnival lmao.

    Microslop has now regressed to implementing “features” very closely resembling - in sophistication and effect - my own bumbling, desperate, ignorant attempts at similar (“making a button behave like a macro”), using AutoHotKey, somewhere between 15-20 years ago.

    And do I understand that they both shipped that, on hardware, AND it’s broken so badly it can’t be easily remedied?

    I don’t know what to say. It’s like all the geniuses of comedy who died too young are doing this, all of it.

    (No shade whatsoever to AHK, it was, probably still is, awesome at its job!)

    Edit: suddenly realized it’s just on purpose, probably. Anyway, rant remains lol

  • Frenchgeek@lemmy.mlEnglish
    5·
    13 hours ago

    Note to self: start looking into building my own keyboards if it ever becomes standard, somehow.

  • Fokeu@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1311·
    1 day ago

    Congrats Microsoft, you managed to enshittify a goddamn keyboard key.

  • texture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    19 hours ago

    happy to be typing this comment on a framework laptop, where no such key is to be found.

    interesting post, and thanks for the info. i cant believe the crap MS pulls. Linux is easier than ever. Join us.

    • attero@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      17·
      20 hours ago

      It’s arguably worse, because Samsung has full control over software, hardware, and firmware of their devices.
      Even if MS would like to fix this mess, they can’t.

      • [object Object]@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        13 hours ago

        Theoretically I think they could redefine it as a new distinct key instead of the combo — as is done with the windows and context-menu keys. That would allow it to be remapped properly.

        • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
          1·
          12 hours ago

          well that’s what they should have done but now what it’s implemented there are a lot more parties that need to come to the table to fix the mess… some hardware might not be able to fix the mess, but i’d be surprised if this shit show were implemented on hardware rather than firmware

          • [object Object]@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            12 hours ago

            Eh, MS can just issue new requirements for their compatibility stamp, just like they did in the first place and many times previously. Newly produced laptop and keyboard models would have the fixed behavior, the same way they got the broken behavior.

            • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
              1·
              12 hours ago

              new ones sure but there are a bunch of these broken machines out there now: far more than there otherwise would be, because microslop forced the upgrade for windows 11

              i guesssss if they do it soon enough the existing models will still be in their support period and they’d kinda be forced to update, assume it’s a software or firmware fix

  • ColdWater@lemmy.caEnglish
    16·
    20 hours ago

    If this garbage is on my keyboard I will drill that motherfucker out no second thought

    • Wispy2891@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      16 hours ago

      I have a Lenovo usb keyboard with a fn Key in place of the Ctrl key that has absolutely no purpose. It’s for volume control like fn+F7 BUT… IT ALSO HAS DEDICATED BUTTONS FOR VOLUME CONTROL!!

      After the nth time I accidentally switched fn and Ctrl I took a screwdriver and popped it out permanently (being USB it doesn’t report fn status to the os and of course the BIOS doesn’t allow FN remapping because it’s not a laptop)

  • Sims@lemmy.mlEnglish
    353·
    23 hours ago

    “tldr: AI took a perfectly working modifier key from you.” - ‘AI’ ?? I can’t see how this is anything but Microshit and Capitalism that 'takes away" anything…

    • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      111·
      23 hours ago

      That’s the former right click button location. They took it away to implement a AI button. So it’s AI that’s done it, not literally but figuratively.

      • JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        10·
        22 hours ago

        They (Microsoft) did actually also originally implement it, the application key was added to Microsoft keyboards in 1994 along with the Windows key. It’s meant to give compatibility to the Windows user interface when your PC had a mouse with only one button. Don’t remember those being very relevant in the recent years.

        So it’s Microsoft deciding that their right-click button isn’t necessary any more after 32 years, and swapping it for a Co-Pilot/Windows Search button.

        • [object Object]@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          13 hours ago

          The ‘application key’ is useful for remapping as a modifier, regardless of the OS. It’s recognized as a distinct key in both MacOS and Linux, just like the ‘windows’ key.

        • cheesybuddha@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          18 hours ago

          I use the the ‘right click button’ literally every single day. It’s super useful for not having to move between the mouse and keyboard for tasks.

          Also, this is on Linux, and I think it’s fair to say that the key has evolved to become a fairly standard part of keyboards and operating systems. Just because MS were the first ones to use it doesn’t give them some kind of say control over the idea, at least beyond the scope of their own hardware, and I don’t think anyone is arguing that they don’t have the right to change their own hardware. It’s just a bad decision.