One is a genocide of 20% of the total population of the Korean peninsula and destruction of 90% of the norths infrastructure.
The other is two dead people.
American chauvinists will never reconcile with the magnitude and depths of the US crimes against their victims. They only care once white people are killed at home.
Hostile relations with foreign nations is status quo for the US. The current level of violence on their streets instigated by the feds coupled with the desecration of constitutional rights and congress refusing to their legally obligated duties is not.
Obligatory disclaimer: I am anti Imperialist and anti Capitalist. The American Empire has been a force for oppression and destruction since its founding.
OK, now, saying that Trump is basically the same as other presidents on foreign policy is ridiculous. In just a little over a year into his second term he has continued to brutalize the same people and countries that the US has historically but has also:
engaged in economic warfare against nearly every country on the planet
threatened military action against the US’ closest allies
kidnapped the democratically elected leader of a sovereign country
cut off virtually all foreign aide
Unilaterally pulled out of just about every treaty to which our government was a party
He is objectively worse than our status quo bad and arguing otherwise is just petty and ignorant.
AKA, threatened white countries instead of the other guys. This is worse somehow.
Not instead. In addition to. Which, yes, is worse.
Remember when Obama murdered Gaddafi and turned Libya into a slave-state? America’s history of regime change has its own Wikipedia…
Yes, I know my government loves regime changing other countries. Trump has escalated the level of brazenness with which we’ll do it, which makes him worse. You seem to think that saying Trump is worse implies that our past leadership wasn’t bad.
Most “foreign aid” provided by America is used to make the global south dependant on their help and further entrenches colonialism.
Yes, USAID was primarily a vehicle for soft power, and much of our “aide” was actually just propaganda (Voice of America, etc). But cutting off food and medicine to millions of poor people is objectively worse than not doing that.
Breaking treaties is probably the most American thing in history. How do you think the country was founded?
You seem to be a victim of binary thinking. Are you incapable of recognizing that breaking ALL the treaties all at once is different from breaking some treaties some of the time, even if the latter is also bad?
Trump has escalated the level of brazenness with which we’ll do it
“video of his last moments shows rebel fighters dragging Gaddafi out of a drainage pipe, beating him and one of them sodomizing him with a bayonet before he was shot several times.”
Pretty brazen my friend… I’d say Maduro got off pretty light.
I can absolutely concede that Trump is doing bad things in his own unique way. I just think comparably it’s not that different than the status quo, and the reaction from white Americans on this topic is hard to take seriously at times.
I know all about how Gaddafi died and how the Clintons are sociopaths. Doesn’t change the fact that unilaterally kidnapping Maduro is a new level of brazen, because it removes even the weak normative barriers that were in place before, when the US at least tried to manufacture consensus for its bullshit. You will undoubtedly claim that doesn’t matter, but it does. Trump has lowered the internationally accepted barrier to foreign fuckery in a way that will have lasting ramifications.
Most of the people ICE has killed this year alone aren’t white.
I’m not white.
Again, saying Trump is worse doesn’t mean America was good before.
Seems like you care more about decorum and appearances than actual human lives. “At least previous administrations summarily executed wedding attendants without being brazen about it!”
“At least they used to brainwash us before they did regime change!”
Really illuminates where your priorities lay. You miss Americans being soothed into imperialism. I can promise you, the victims of these crimes were not soothed into their demise. Do you think the people of these foreign nations give a fuck about how good Americans feel about murdering them?
This is an infantile degeneracy and I urge you to seek personal growth and reflect on these opinions.
ICE has killed at least 9 people just since the beginning of the year. US bombs have slaughtered thousands of Palestinians, Iranians, Yemeni, Russians, etc, since Trump took office.
Give me a fucking break. ICE shooting 2 people is worse than dropping 635,000 tons of bombs onto Korea 🤣
Grow up.
Have you considered those two were white, though?
Some crazy whataboutism. Both are bad. Why are you making it a contest?
“Both are bad”
One is a genocide of 20% of the total population of the Korean peninsula and destruction of 90% of the norths infrastructure.
The other is two dead people.
American chauvinists will never reconcile with the magnitude and depths of the US crimes against their victims. They only care once white people are killed at home.
Americans make me want to vomit with rage. The death toll in venezuela is over 100 people, america also bombed syria in january.
And many people have died in ice detention but they weren’t white so it doesn’t count.
2 white people get shot and they flip their fucking shit. How they can’t see the hypocrisy is… there are no words.
And them treating these things as if they are all equal is so stomach churningly awful… and these are the “dissidents”.
It’s a country full of racist sociopaths. Even the people who are “outraged” can’t help but be insane and horrible.
You’re right, there’s no contest. One is millions of times worse
Hostile relations with foreign nations is status quo for the US. The current level of violence on their streets instigated by the feds coupled with the desecration of constitutional rights and congress refusing to their legally obligated duties is not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
Pretty devastating for you. Let me know if you want more.
This administration is still doing all that awful shit and more. The rate of atrocities is increasing and broadening.
WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
You can NOT be serious?!?!
Obligatory disclaimer: I am anti Imperialist and anti Capitalist. The American Empire has been a force for oppression and destruction since its founding.
OK, now, saying that Trump is basically the same as other presidents on foreign policy is ridiculous. In just a little over a year into his second term he has continued to brutalize the same people and countries that the US has historically but has also:
He is objectively worse than our status quo bad and arguing otherwise is just petty and ignorant.
AKA, threatened white countries instead of the other guys. This is worse somehow.
Remember when Obama murdered Gaddafi and turned Libya into a slave-state? America’s history of regime change has its own Wikipedia…
Most “foreign aid” provided by America is used to make the global south dependant on their help and further entrenches colonialism.
Breaking treaties is probably the most American thing in history. How do you think the country was founded?
Not instead. In addition to. Which, yes, is worse.
Yes, I know my government loves regime changing other countries. Trump has escalated the level of brazenness with which we’ll do it, which makes him worse. You seem to think that saying Trump is worse implies that our past leadership wasn’t bad.
Yes, USAID was primarily a vehicle for soft power, and much of our “aide” was actually just propaganda (Voice of America, etc). But cutting off food and medicine to millions of poor people is objectively worse than not doing that.
You seem to be a victim of binary thinking. Are you incapable of recognizing that breaking ALL the treaties all at once is different from breaking some treaties some of the time, even if the latter is also bad?
Your argument is petty and unsubstantiated.
“video of his last moments shows rebel fighters dragging Gaddafi out of a drainage pipe, beating him and one of them sodomizing him with a bayonet before he was shot several times.”
Here’s a video of Hillary Clinton laughing about it: https://youtu.be/6DXDU48RHLU
Pretty brazen my friend… I’d say Maduro got off pretty light.
I can absolutely concede that Trump is doing bad things in his own unique way. I just think comparably it’s not that different than the status quo, and the reaction from white Americans on this topic is hard to take seriously at times.
I know all about how Gaddafi died and how the Clintons are sociopaths. Doesn’t change the fact that unilaterally kidnapping Maduro is a new level of brazen, because it removes even the weak normative barriers that were in place before, when the US at least tried to manufacture consensus for its bullshit. You will undoubtedly claim that doesn’t matter, but it does. Trump has lowered the internationally accepted barrier to foreign fuckery in a way that will have lasting ramifications.
Most of the people ICE has killed this year alone aren’t white.
I’m not white.
Again, saying Trump is worse doesn’t mean America was good before.
Seems like you care more about decorum and appearances than actual human lives. “At least previous administrations summarily executed wedding attendants without being brazen about it!”
“At least they used to brainwash us before they did regime change!”
Really illuminates where your priorities lay. You miss Americans being soothed into imperialism. I can promise you, the victims of these crimes were not soothed into their demise. Do you think the people of these foreign nations give a fuck about how good Americans feel about murdering them?
This is an infantile degeneracy and I urge you to seek personal growth and reflect on these opinions.
I’m done trying to argue around your strawmen. You clearly have no interest in even trying to comprehend what I’m saying. Toodles
ICE has killed at least 9 people just since the beginning of the year. US bombs have slaughtered thousands of Palestinians, Iranians, Yemeni, Russians, etc, since Trump took office.
Maybe you should grow up?
“It was actually 9!” Wow 🤣
Oh my god thousands of people!? Geez, imagine if America ever did that in the last 70 years… Unheard of!
Are you always such a prick?
Convincing Americans that the people they murdered are real human beings is exhausting and demoralizing. Sorry mate.
Convincing random internet dickheads that they’re being dickheads is exhausting and demoralizing.
I think my position is a lot more important tbh.
Well, based on what you’ve said so far, your position is that
I contend that your position is asinine.
Yeah I can see how my position would be pretty upsetting if you just make up a bunch of shit. Poor fella…