Except Europe isnt as strong as obi
Idiots. The world should be ONE already for at least 26 years. We are thrown back in time by fascist dictators
Europe is america and israel’s bitch.
The image should be a dog on Vader’s leash.
Australia can into EU plz?
AUKUS says no.
Euros love to imagine something they are not
yeah always funny. The main achivement they got was grpd and ubs c on iphone. You dont build an empire base on thoses.
The Jedi were neoliberal losers that allowed fascists come to power and cared not for the extreme poverty going on beneath their feet of Coruscant, so yeah putting the blue lightsaber in Europe’s hands is accurate.
Since Epstein was Mossad and the United States politicians are being blackmailed and bribed by Israeli intelligence I kinda feel like this should be included in the enemy lineup. Although Is china really an enemy of Europe?
That’s just the flag of a US territory
I’m pretty sure it’s the capital
No, it’s a major military operations base which gives it a lot of political power but the master letting go of the leash doesn’t mean they have lost control of their attack dog. They’re just letting them loose, one whistle and they’re brought to heel.
Do good dogs usually blackmail their masters with trafficked children? It seems to me that Israel who has universal healthcare, free college, a $400 monthly payment per child until they are 18, unlimited money for weapons and 53 million a year to bribe US politicians is perhaps rogue AF. We have major military bases all over and NOBODY gets the red carpet that the country that just happens to be blackmailing our politicians with trafficked children gets….must be a coincidence https://www.trackaipac.com/congress
AIPAC is one of many lobby groups, to say that pissrael controls the US through AIPAC is like saying that the coal industrialists control the US, or the MIC contractors run the US, or the myriad other monied interests influencing politicians through bribery, blackmail whatever.
None of them “control” the US, all of them together are the US. If, or rather when, the zionist project is no longer profitable the other interests will no longer have room for it and the US will drop it.
Some have more influence than the others, sure, but I wouldn’t put AIPAC on the same level as Wall Street or Lockheed Martin and Boeing and co. In many regards AIPAC is actually a lobby for those groups since Pissrael is such a profitable project for them.
And yet, what can Israel do without the material support of the country that makes its domestic weapons production capabilities possible? What can Israel do without the country that supplies its Iron Dome system? What can Israel do without CENTCOM? Without the power of the US dollar being maintained? Without Europe being greased up to act as one imperialist unit together with the US? Without US control of oil trade? Without US rigging of international institutions?
Can one meaningfully ever “control” someone that has that much leverage over them?
You’re flattering yourself if you think the politicians of the US need to be blackmailed to carry out the material interest of the capitalist ruling class. They won’t pay attention to you even if they stop cheating on you with Israel, their main girl is capital.
It’s pretty clear that Epstein network operated all throughout Europe. Mandelson revelations being a prime example of this.
At least China has good food.
Europe has a lot of good food, but the tendency is that it’s concentrated towards the south - Italy, France, Greece, etc. The food generally gets worse the further north you get, but every national cuisine usually has at least one good thing. Even Sweden probably has a good dish.
I didn’t think Europe having good food was in contention, it’s kinda the basis for fine dining.
Aside from britain europe has pretty good food too.
braSSiKKKa sucks ass
Okay Russia is understandable cuz they’re in a war, USA understandable cuz they’re saber rattling, but genuinely what is China doing besides minding their own business?
The worst crime of all. Being powerful while the wrong race.
Buying ports and selling cars, generally speaking an economy war.
then dont sell the ports and buy the cars?
No no no, you don’t understand, we wanted to make money from the ports and produce the cars but they had to be the complex, oil-sucking ones because those are hard to produce and we and our partners made good profits from the oligopoly and making cheap and environment friendly cars is just cheating. It’s against the rules-based world order! Also, Uyghurs!
economy war is when the west voluntarily hands you all its production and then gets mad that someone somehow handed the production over. i guess.
edit: the people actually waging economic war on you are your own god damned ruling class.
Nationalize your ports to prevent private foreign companies from buying them.
China is the evil economy.
Boost their own, flood foreign.🤡
What are you talking about. What country doesn’t want to boost their economy???
Between an exchange of goods and services and flooding it by subventiontioning to suppress the competition is teensy tiny difference, no?
This is called a “skill issue” on the hand of western imperialists that can’t compete. Stop framing doing better as being evil.
Are they even trying to compete considering how many places were happy/eager to send manufacturing overseas in the name of lowering labor costs?
They are realizing they fell into a trap by doing so, so trying but failing.
Evil is in the eye of the beholder.
Explain how it’s evil to allow the US companies to move their production out of the US? The US corporations could have kept industry here, but they decided to fuck themselves over so that a few shareholders’ margins went up by a few percentage points. That wasn’t China being malicious, that’s the US lacking any sense of foresight while being blinded by greed.
Being better at producing goods is evil?
Oh no the Chinese are sending us good quality, cheap goods and letting us pay them with our dogshit overinflated currency. If only we were forced to buy plasticky shit at extortionate prices made by the USA (USA!! USA!!).
Evil is the invisible hand of the market fisting the ass of your country, who send their production to a foreign country, and then start crying because they get better after decades of doing what guys should have being doing all along.
What do you mean “evil economy?” Is producing goods a bad thing?
331·1 day agoDeath to production, unlimited chaos on everyone.
Literally sounds like 40k logic, lol.
Flooding foreign economies with cheap subventioned goods so the domestic can’t compete and go out of business and thus increasing dependency in you.
Yes, I’d say this is bad.China isn’t forcing anybody to buy their goods at gunpoint last I checked. The fact that western markets are unable to produce comparable goods at the same prices is entirely the problem with the way western economies are structured. The whole premise for loosely regulated markets was that they were supposed to be more efficient than state planning, turns out that was a big fat lie. So now the dumb fucks in the west are crying that their failed economic model can’t compete with China. Tough!
Bad for who
It is a pretty bad deal for Western workers that our economies have deindustrialized. But that’s not China’s fault, that’s our ruling classes’ fault.
Deindustrialization itself isn’t really bad. It’s a neutral thing.
I would argue that it is in fact bad because it’s a threat to national security and sovereignty. The Europeans are now finding out that they’re unable to produce things domestically that their people need, and have become entirely reliant on US energy exports and military protection.
Yeah, kind of, but under a capitalist system where workers can’t reap the benefits of automation and much labor is still performed in the imperial periphery it is negative.
This is just cope, though. China has better industrial capacity, and can produce high quality goods for lower prices because of this. It isn’t because of evil, it’s because China as a socialist economy is surpassing capitalist economies.
The goods produced in China are cheap because Western economies made a bet that they’d come out ahead by moving their capital out of their own economies and into China. China won the bet instead of them and now has more productive capacity than the West. Why is it China’s fault that the West had poor foresight and deindustrialized itself in exchange for short term profits? Should Chinese workers have remained poor forever instead of benefiting from Western investments?
They are literally genociding part of their population to enforce a unique race
you are literally sniffing so much glue that your mind exists on another plane of existence
Big if true
Can you provide a source for that claim?
“Since 2014, the government of the People’s Republic of China has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang which has often been characterized as persecution or as genocide. There have been reports of mass arbitrary arrests and detention, torture, mass surveillance, cultural and religious persecution, family separation, forced labor, sexual violence, and violations of reproductive rights.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Their source for the genocide claim is this article that immediately cites Adrian Zenz. Do you have a source that can corroborate the genocide claim that doesn’t rely on Adrian Zenz? I don’t think he’s a good faith scholar.
Thank you for the source. I’ll take a look at some of their references.
They aren’t? Not only is the idea of mass Uyghur slave labor atrocity propaganda akin to claiming that there’s “white genocide” in South Africa, Christian genocide in Nigeria, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies in Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, but the PRC is an incredibly industrialized country and as such doesn’t have a need for slavery. Slavery in general is a horribly inefficient system fir anything other than agrarian production, which is why the Statesian North liberated the slaves in the south, for more wage-laboring industrial workers.
In the case of Xinjiang, the area is crucial in the Belt and Road Initiative, so the west backed sepratist groups in order to destabilize the region. China responded with vocational programs and de-radicalization efforts, which the west then twisted into claims of “genocide.” Nevermind that the west responds to seperatism with mass violence, and thus re-education programs focused on rehabilitation are far more humane, the tool was used both for outright violence by the west into a useful narrative to feed its own citizens.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.
What does this even mean
I love the memes about how China is threatening Europe so much. The last time China did anything threatening to Europe it was when they had a war to kick the British out of China, and Europe will never forgive them for it
This is a democracy vs authoritarian logic. Not a matter of territorial disputes.
Hopefully Chinese democracy will prevail against western authoritarianism.
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Change nothing lemmy.ml
Can you enlighten us as to how China is authoritarian in a way that Europe isn’t? Because as far as I can tell, even if literally every single thing China is accused of by anyone is true, this is what their major crimes amount to:
- Killing 10,000 protesters in Tiananmen Square
- Imprisoning 1M Uighurs in Xinjiang
- Sterilizing, abusing, and killing some number of Uighurs in Xinjiang, I’ve never seen numbers accompanying this claim
- Suppressing Tibetan religious identity
- Lack of queer rights
- Not respecting Taiwan’s sovereignty
- Suppressing political speech that goes against the government
- General religious persecution of several religious minorities other than those mentioned above; Falun Gong, Christians, other Muslims, etc
- Aggression toward their neighbors like India and the Philippines
- Support of Russia during their invasion of Ukraine
- Support of Myanmar during the Rohingya genocide
Let me know if I missed any.
Meanwhile, (mainly Western) Europe definitely has done the following in the past 50 years:
- Funded and supported Israel’s genocide in Gaza, killing anywhere from 50,000 people per the Health Ministry to 500,000 per Donald Trump
- Mostly refused to recognize a Palestinian state until quite recently
- Exploited peripheral European states economically
- Continued to hold assets belonging to former colonies in the Global South
- Collaborated with the US to destroy the USSR and strip it for parts, causing one of the largest peace-time drop in life expectancy in history, and unleashing rampant economic and sexual exploitation
- Allow thousands of immigrants to die in the Mediterranean to prevent them from reaching the continent.
- Joined the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
- Joined NATO actions to destroy the Libyan government, leaving the country in a state of utter chaos and making it one of the only places on earth with open air slave markets
- NATO actions against Yugoslavia and Serbia (granted, to intervene in a genocide, but in a way that was not done to intervene in the Rwandan genocide; this suggests the intervention was primarily motivated by an extractive, imperialist interest)
- Islamophobia; Hijab bans, rampant hate speech, racially stratified economies.
- Backsliding queer rights in some countries, total lack in others.
I think there’s probably more I could go into, but I think that’s at least enough to make my case. If you want to believe China is authoritarian because you believe every point in the upper half is true, then I won’t stop you. But you’re on some craaaazy wypipo logic if you think the points in the bottom don’t mean that the same label ought to be applied to Europe.
Can you enlighten us
Ignorance is easy to cure. Willful ignorance usually requires therapy. I don’t have the time nor the color crayons for that.
Okay, I spent like 10 minutes searching my mind trying to fully understand where you’re coming from and meeting you halfway by listing things I don’t even believe to be true about China. If you can’t engage with people who disagree with you under those circumstances, then what level of engagement did you expect?
I deal with tankies locally in my native language and trust me, they are already a hassle. I don’t know where you are from and I don’t even know if you are not a bot. I am spending like 20 seconds answering and I think I still got robbed.
How much time have you spent studying the Chinese system?
How many Chinese people have you discussed politics with? How much time have you spent there?
I met people from China who unlike you understand their government is a proletarian democracy (which is different from a liberal democracy in many ways), you can even meet Chinese people here who’ll tell you that their government is democratic, but it’s not THAT hard to learn about a system you don’t understand by at least watching YouTube if you don’t have the patience or habit of sitting down to read.
I haven’t been to China because I’m poor and on the other side of the globe, have you been there yourself? There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.
I have been there, to several places. I have friends there. I know Chinese outside of China. They are not hard to find.
If you live in a big city, there are Chinese places. Go there and try to talk Chinese politics with anyone there, see what’s the general feeling. Sample that with a random European place and see how more easily you can talk politics with a French or an Italian. Thing is, China sends policemen to check the Chinese abroad behave correctly. Even outside China, they are on their toes.
That’s your homework before you try to explain to people online things about a country you never experienced.
There are nice videos by tourists that show that China is just… a country. Very advanced, great infrastructure, but not what you seem to believe it is.
China is far more advanced than most westerners believe, even though they start updating their views a bit. I also heard Dubai and Tel Aviv are very nice city to live in. Which tells you nothing about the ills of their governments.
I’ve interacted with 5 - 7 Chinese users over Lemmy recently ish. Haven’t been, but one of my close friends went to Hong Kong pretty recently and enjoyed their time.
LOL. Worked with Chinese, discussed politics with Chinese (outside of China, for obvious reason to anyone who met any Chinese citizen). Try to get first hand accounts before praising one of the strictest censorship in the world. And learn a bit about the specifics of Hong-Kong, or better, meet activists there if this is your sample of China
China threatens European allies like Japan and Taiwan daily. The republic must be restored
get fucked colonizer
The republic must be restored
“We need to bring back the colonial government”
You guys are not beating the psychotically racist allegations. This is like saying we need to restore the British Raj in India
Europe: collaborates in the genocide of Palestinians
Europeans: “China is so evil and militaristic, look at all those hypothetical things they could hypothetically do to Taiwan!”
I want you to google the last time that china and taiwan had a military hostile interaction.
Please do.
Japan hasn’t even given a symbolic apology for their massive list of war crimes against China and all over Asia, Taiwan is part of China under international law, and the nationalist forces you defend were murdering communists while under attack by Japan. You fascist sympathizers…
Try to think why these supposed “threats” are such a big deal for an alliance of countries so far away from the region to be affected, and you might stumble upon the real reason why they hate China so much.
Spoiler alert, it’s because they can no longer take advantage of China like they did when it was under the boot of the British. They hate that it’s a sovereign country that works for its own benefit, and that their footholds in the region are unable to reverse the course of history as they’d like.
Ah Europe famous for
colonization, slave trade, racism, the literal nazisbeing the good guys?Y’all I’m an American and fuck my country and fuck the current Russian state but fuck Europe even more tbh.
Also what are you hating on China for? Guess that’s European racism again.
I mean double and triple fuck Europe but fuck them more than the literal scourge plaguing the whole planet? Doubtful
I could see a reasonable take that the USA is worse. Especially if you’re just thinking about current events. As long as you’re saying fuck Europe too I consider us on the same side.
Agree
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What, if the US with their genocidial history can play world police…
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Ok you can same the about people.
But say you and I and 3 other people are in a room.
We find out one is an active serial killer another a serial rapist and you find out another had stolen $1000 from his own mother for a drug problem. If I make a judgment like " hey dude fuck that serial rapist and that serial killer. " And your response is “you have to accept that everybody does bad stuff”. That would be just as asinine. Just because nobody’s perfect and no institution is perfect. Does not mean you cannot make judgments about which one is morally better than another.
The only thing Europe did wrong was causing the fall of Rome. Everything that came after that was just a consequence.
Rise again, Italy, and claim what is yours. The world.
You gotta use the tone indicators haha
I would think this is not satire if we were in Reddit.
Famously good Rome that never did anything bad.
Yeah can’t let go of the past, im still mad about the bacteria that killed my ancestor before we evolved out of the ocean
A bunch of African countries just threw off French colonial control like, three years ago, and are still being vilified for it. This shit is extremely current and you’re acting like a smug prick
Europe still practices neocolonialism and imperialism. Hell, Australia and other European settler-colonies still exist.
As a non indigenous Australian what would a real communist do?
Read up on local decolonial movements, and listen to what they have to say and are advocating for. Read up on settler-colonialism, Fanon is an excellent writer.
What a brain dead and privileged take. Exactly how long are people allowed to be upset for? Would you say that shit to a holocaust survivor.
White people smh
Ironic I’m not white, I’m Australian Aboriginal, every year on the 25th of January people getting shitty about the invasion of Australia.
I think get over it my grandmother was stolen generation but I’m not beating my chest about it
Lastly saying “White people smh” is still racist.
Imagine someone said black people smh because of their opinions
Solid mate
INCREDIBLE
LMAO
Yes. I would, if they were still mad at the present german government.
The present German government that is presently elbow-deep in another Holocaust?
Well my comment is in the past so just disregard that
Europe is profitting off child slavery and other horrible shit worldwide. This isn’t a thing of the past only, and being dismissive like this is beyond disrespectful to the many victims of capitalism.
How is China exactly threatening Europe? By offering affordable electric cars and cheap solar panels and batteries that EU doesn’t manufacture anyway?
They’re literally jorjor whale 1972 😔
A rapist, a snitch and a liar walk into a bar. The bartender asks “The usual again Mr. Orwell”
Ah, a classic
you guys are so fucking stupid and ignorant i swear
I mean, this is accurately describing how Europeans feel
Stupid and ignorant? Well maybe europeans should try to fix that.
It’s REALLY NOT that hard.
Bro racism gets in their way, it’s not that easy.
So true 😭, how are we supposed to build a better world when brown people over with their skin all brown and shit.
can you make a new one with marvel characters? it allows for more nuance :3
No you don’t understand white people are like dumblebot and the asian hordes are moldymort.
i thought i was the only one who noticed the marvel characters and i still don’t fully understand what it means. lol
China isn’t a threat to the EU lol. Russia is more complicated. but Putin is mostly playing the cards he is dealt. If you got rid of NATO and ended severe sanctions , maybe didn’t blow up their NG pipelines, Russia would grow beyond Putin.
You could put any country on the left and the US flag on the right and it would be accurate. You could even put the US flag on both sides and it would be accurate
Russia is the fucking dealer of their own cards. The sanctions and blowing up of pipelines are both direct responses to their fucking invasion of Ukraine.
They don’t get to play the victim.
Listen I do not condone the Russian invasion. But they were all but forced to invade. The western neoliberal hegemon wanted to draw Russia into a war of attrition, the west did a color counter - revolution after Euromaidan. Yanukovitch was forced out after asking for aid from Russia rather than the World Bank. The US funded extreme right-wing militants in Ukraine, and then, after Putin said they would invade if NATO expanded into Ukraine, the US and the EU pushed to make Ukraine a member state. Guess what happened next.
And the Ukrainian people have lost so much. The country has been brutally exploited for the last 100 years. The war is a proving ground for drone warfare, which is being turned on the people of the West. I won’t say Russia had no options but invasion, I won’t defend Putin, but he’s the guy. The West can’t admit that their bellicose attitude toward Russia keeps him in power. And the war in Ukraine is a prime example. Staying in power has its own horrible logic. The actions of.Putin are reprehensible, and I probably was too easy on him in the above comment. But it is much more complicated than “bad man invade.” The Ukraine war was the result of a decade of meddling by the west.
Perhaps a similar argument can be made of the US, that large powers have to ruthlessly defend their interests, as Mearsheimer argues. But the war in Ukraine wasnt the beginning, The war in Ukraine was the result.
