• majari42@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    So this is where the Amarican people no longer accept this president and rovolt in an unprecedented rage, amiright?

    Like, finally take an example of the French and other counties and finally unite in a massive violent protest, right?

    Please learn from history, it’s the only way.

    We’re patiently waiting and watch eagerly from the sideline here in Europe, come on, act!

    • Bruncvik@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I’ve been in the US two months ago, in a very Democratic city, socialising with only very anti-Trump people. Not a single one cared what happened outside US borders. They were upset about the inflation, cost of living, loss of privacy and civil liberties, etc. There may be some who do care about the US foreign policy, but unless thousands of Americans start returning in body bags, there won’t be enough critical mass to stage any revolt or even protests worthy of Trump’s attention.

      • Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        I’ve lived in the US my entire life. I wish I could tell you your wrong.

        I can’t.

        Some of my earliest memories revolve around watching the evening news, listening to them say that “X amount of American lives were lost” and wondering why “American” lives were substantially different or worthy of note. A life lost is a life lost. And that’s a tragedy no matter how you slice it. Where that life started or where it lived has no bearing whatsoever on it’s value.

        At least… that’s what I believe. The current state of things has me thinking I might be in the minority on that one.

        As to revolution, protest, anything that could even prove an inconvenience to the status quo… I’ll believe it when I see it. Not to make excuses, but I think forces in the American culture have been working to defang popular protest since at least the civil rights movement, or perhaps even earlier. Even if it’s demostriably wrong… I can’t begin to tell you how demoralized I feel. My government just… went and did this. It’s illegal. The very shape of our government is supposed to prevent this kind of thing from happening. And yet… here we are. One illegal invasion and (apparently) kidnapping of a sovereign head of state later.

        …I wish it were otherwise, but it feels like there’s very little that can be done about it. Americans just… don’t seem equal to the task of holding their government to account. The one thing we are supposed to be good at.

        I can’t even begin to tell you how many outrages there were up to this point. Too many. Far too many for concence to allow. This… feels different. Is different. Has to be different, then the way we’ve been allowing things to ride.

        But… I’ve been disappointed before. I’m certain I’ll be disappointed again. I hope this will be different, but…

        …I can point to plenty of times it should have been different before. Times that would have prevented this from happening. It’s… hard to maintain hope in the face of that.

        • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works
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          2 months ago

          I mean, philosophically all lives are equal.

          But you value people you love, your family (I assume) more than your neighbors. And you care about what happens in your town more than in another city in your country, and you care more about your country than others…

          USA had a pretty bad plane crash a couple months ago in Louisville; about a dozen people died. I care, it was a tragedy, but I guarantee you that the people in Louisville care a lot more than I do.

          And it’s the same reason a nation will care more about its citizens vs the citizens of other nations. Kind of obtuse to pretend that’s not how people work, no?

    • ripcord@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      timeline

      Stop with this shit. This isnt some Marvel movie. It’s reality. You are living in the rising age of American fascism, as you have been for the last year.

      • MrFinnbean@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Its also somewhat witty way of saying that what is happening right now seems so unbelievable it must be somekind of mistake.

        Dark times make dark humour and jokes are often easiest way for people to start process things and it does not equal inaction.

        If you dont want to see remarks like that, you should maybe stay of internet.

  • Ontimp@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    Let’s appreciate what this means for the global order.

    Russia has proactively attacked Ukraine. Now the US has attacked Venezuela. If China ever needed a permissive international environment to attack Taiwan, this attack was a major step in this direction.

    We are quickly sliding back to a world of great powers, where might makes right and hence smaller countries will be bullied into submission without any concerted opposition by what remains of the ‘international community’.

    If the US gets away with this, the same is going to happen to Panama in the not too distant futute and to Greenland soon after.

    Unless Russia is burned out after the Uktain war, they might try their hand at the Baltics.

    Should Russia collapse, China might integrate some of the Siberian regions.

    And so on.

    I wonder how this all will end.

    • Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      It will end like it always does. Like the Roman and Byzantine empires ended, like the USSR ended, like Alexander the great’s empire ended, like England’s empire ended.

      At some point great powers become too great to be stable, so they fracture into provinces that become separate countries and the cycle starts over.

      Only this time there are nuclear weapons involved, so we’ll see how that goes

      • Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social
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        2 months ago

        I wonder if AI and it’s possibilities for mass surveillance and mass manipulation will make a difference and allow empires to sustain themselves and control it’s people.

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            2 months ago

            Mass surveillance is happening right now, by companies and goverments. The data this generates can be analyzed using AI tools to find anything out of the ordinary, anyone trying to resist the empire. LLMs can be used to generate content to manipulate people, en masse or by microtargeting based on the surveillance data. This is not distant future, this is the near future, if not present.

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
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              You have identified what I also see as the only “use” for LLMs. Still doesn’t make it “AI” though, which is what my jab was directed at. However, maybe I should have pointed out that I do not dispute it can be used to mass-manipulate people :/ Sadly, that is entirely realistic.