What interests me is that I’ve never once heard an actual explanation. “They’re doing drag” might be true in an analytical sense from an outside perspective. But it’s not the reason they do it.
One would assume the reason you start is because you’re encouraged to get some Botox and subtle touch-ups are a very beauty trend among women. But they all end up with very similar features and it’s always overdone. So there must be common pushes and pulls. I would just like to hear it in their own words what has led them to this.
It’s more that they do what drag typically mocks - that kind of hyper performance of feminine conformity. Classic drag has always been mocking the way that conservative women perform gender roles.
It’s supposed to look like they got work done, because it reflects their commitment to the idea that women should be always performing “woman.” Women are meant to be looked at by powerful men, and they are acceding to that understanding.
Again, I agree with you, you basically repeated and expanded on the point of the person I replied to. Like what you’re giving me is a good anthropological analysis.
But if you asked these women why/how they got to this point they would not say “well I’m just commiting to my performance of being a woman to appease the male gaze”
For one thing, most of them probably still hold agency to themselves despite the fact that it seems clear they are doing this to appease men. They would most likely have explanations for all their changes and who/what influenced them.
A terrifying probability is that these women literally get told by their spouses/others that if they don’t get these specific surgeries they won’t be able to do something. If it’s that then I would like to know who specifically tells them this and what they tell them.
I can say as someone who’s seen similar things in different groups it’s body dysmorphia. You focus on a flaw you want to fix enough to pay to get it fixed and it’s better, but if you don’t have discipline about it you’re prone to still see it. It’s similar to anorexia where they go from seeing fat that may or may not be there to seeing the torso bulge of having organs and thinking that it’s fat.
Then there’s social factors. If your social group has worries, well humans tend to echolocate reality off what those around us think and say, so you’re prone to the same worries and the same solutions.
What interests me is that I’ve never once heard an actual explanation. “They’re doing drag” might be true in an analytical sense from an outside perspective. But it’s not the reason they do it.
One would assume the reason you start is because you’re encouraged to get some Botox and subtle touch-ups are a very beauty trend among women. But they all end up with very similar features and it’s always overdone. So there must be common pushes and pulls. I would just like to hear it in their own words what has led them to this.
It’s more that they do what drag typically mocks - that kind of hyper performance of feminine conformity. Classic drag has always been mocking the way that conservative women perform gender roles.
It’s supposed to look like they got work done, because it reflects their commitment to the idea that women should be always performing “woman.” Women are meant to be looked at by powerful men, and they are acceding to that understanding.
Again, I agree with you, you basically repeated and expanded on the point of the person I replied to. Like what you’re giving me is a good anthropological analysis.
But if you asked these women why/how they got to this point they would not say “well I’m just commiting to my performance of being a woman to appease the male gaze”
For one thing, most of them probably still hold agency to themselves despite the fact that it seems clear they are doing this to appease men. They would most likely have explanations for all their changes and who/what influenced them.
A terrifying probability is that these women literally get told by their spouses/others that if they don’t get these specific surgeries they won’t be able to do something. If it’s that then I would like to know who specifically tells them this and what they tell them.
I can say as someone who’s seen similar things in different groups it’s body dysmorphia. You focus on a flaw you want to fix enough to pay to get it fixed and it’s better, but if you don’t have discipline about it you’re prone to still see it. It’s similar to anorexia where they go from seeing fat that may or may not be there to seeing the torso bulge of having organs and thinking that it’s fat.
Then there’s social factors. If your social group has worries, well humans tend to echolocate reality off what those around us think and say, so you’re prone to the same worries and the same solutions.