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Valnao@sh.itjust.works to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 3 days ago

AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

www.newscientist.com

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AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

www.newscientist.com

Valnao@sh.itjust.works to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 3 days ago
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Leading AIs from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google opted to use nuclear weapons in simulated war games in 95 per cent of cases
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    It’s torment nexuses all the way down…

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYrQr0auPDM

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    Did we not learn from Sarah and John Connor long ago?

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    High-ranking General: “Show me how to defeat my enemies”

    Artificial “Inteligence”: Just nuke them lmao

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    Literally the plot of Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker

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    All good thoughts and ideas mean nothing without action

    (cit. Ghandi)

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Gandhi

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    That’s because it’s “read” every paper written by a “defence” department of any nuclear power and all of them will say that they’ll escalate to nuclear war if anything bad happens because they want to scare the other powers away from doing anything to them. In any case though who the fuck is giving an LLM nuclear launch capabilities unless they want a somewhat faulty dead man’s switch?

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      So this is that again? When before it was a country’s crazy protocol now it’s their ais crazy protocol

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      Pete Hegseth and Donald Epstein

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        If time travel is real they’d be being hunted by hacked Terminators for the resistance.

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    Do it.

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    Nuke MCP when?

    • Spice Hoarder@lemmy.zip
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      It’s an API that just returns “0000”

    • Abyssian@lemmy.world
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      I mean, do you blame them? The more I look at the world and a lot of it’s leaders and shitsacks, the more I start to suggest nuclear holocaust as the best way forward as well.

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    Who the fuck cares.

    Somebody get smarterchild to weigh in on this.

  • herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml
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    Maybe it just wants to play a nice game of chess.

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    • privatepirate@lemmy.zip
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      Where is this from?

      • ShawiniganHandshake@sh.itjust.works
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        The 1983 movie WarGames. This is the computer’s conclusion after simulating every possible outcome of Global Thermonuclear War.

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          Thank you so much I’m going to watch it!

          • 😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈@lemmy.world
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            It’s a fun classic.

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            They did a sequel, too. It wasn’t as good, but points out the 6 degrees of separation in connection with terrorism instead of MAD.

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          I don’t know if we’re doing spoilers for 40+ year old movies, but

          spoiler

          Isn’t this really its conclusion after being told to play tic tac toe against itself? Then it learned from that and applied it to its global thermonuclear war simulations.

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            To be honest, I recognized the screenshot and know the summary of the movie but I haven’t actually seen it.

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              You should! Actually a pretty accurate depiction of hacking. He spends weeks war dialing every phone number in the range in order to hack the computer.

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                Story goes that Reagan got freaked out after watching the film and asked the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff if it’d be that easy to hack into the US military. After a week of looking into it came the answer: “no, the problem is much worse than that”, and fifteen months after having watched it signed the confidential directive “National Policy on Telecommunications and Automated Information Systems Security”, starting the implementation of cybersecurity measures in the country’s institutions.

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                  The war room was actually much more high tech than their war room at the time. They realized they needed to invest in computers. Fast.

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                It’s on my list! Just haven’t gotten around to it yet.

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            I think you should rewatch it sometime. it plays all the games in it’s catalogue, it’s not just applying tic-tac-toe to chess. skilled players of tic-tac-toe can force a stalemate, the only stalemate in nuclear war is mutually assured destruction.

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              It’s admittedly been a while since last time I saw it, but I never mentioned chess. The suggestion to play chess in the screenshot is a callback to when the computer tries to suggest playing chess instead of global thermonuclear war earlier in the movie. The computer did not apply tic tac toe learnings to chess, and I never claimed it did.

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                sorry meant tic-tac-toe to global thermonuclear warfare

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      That explains social media nowadays, the only way to not lose is not to play, it’s a rigged game.

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      Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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      Came here to say this. Turns out real life WOPR is nothing like a movie.

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    The atrocities at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have been hand-waved extensively in writing — the same writing that AI is trained on. So naturally, AI will recommend the atrocity that has been justified by “instantly winning the war” and “saving millions of lives.”

    !fuck_ai@lemmy.world

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      hand-waved

      I think you mean white-washed, misrepresented, and celebrated.

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        Same thing with extra steps

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        Ayo do me a favor and chart the long term health effects of being vaporized by a nuclear bomb at hiroshima vs years of agent orange/abandoned minefields/ abandoned chemical and munitions storage somewhere like Vietnam circa 1970.

        Please show how the nukes are worse.

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          Eight decades of research on the long-term health effects of radiation in atomic bomb survivors and their offspring

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41144264/

          Long-term Radiation-Related Health Effects in a Unique Human Population: Lessons Learned from the Atomic Bomb Survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

          https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/disaster-medicine-and-public-health-preparedness/article/longterm-radiationrelated-health-effects-in-a-unique-human-population-lessons-learned-from-the-atomic-bomb-survivors-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/61689AD5A1AA4A684B84DFA4F9E5D1D3

          Health Impacts of Hiroshima Bombing

          http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2024/ph241/bennett1/

          Long-term Health Consequences of Nuclear Weapons
          70 Years on Red Cross Hospitals still treat Thousands of Atomic Bomb Survivors

          https://www.icrc.org/sites/default/files/document/file_list/hiroshima-nagasaki-health-consequences-icrc-japanese-red-cross_0.pdf

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            Unfortunately I’m going to have to grade you as an F on this project. You have only completed half the assignment. Great job cherrypucking your research though! I see a bright future in business and marketing for you!

            5/10

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              And your sources are? Where? Your ass?

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                My source is my own post where I asked for a comparison between the health effects of the bombing of Hiroshima vs the contamination of half of a Vietnam war. The answer i reviewed only explored the health effects of the hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. That’s half of the assignment. Less, actually, when you consider the comparison between the two was the entire point to begin with.

                Did that answer your question or should I try again with a crayon diagram?

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                  You can also look it up. It’s not anyone’s job to compare things for you.

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          The Japanese government was already willing to surrender.

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            It was willing to accept a conditional surrender, which was not an offer on the table. The options were unconditional surrender or invasion and pacification. The projected cost in lives of that operation was in the millions. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined didn’t even kill 1/10th of those projections.

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              What made the Japanese surrender was the Soviet Union declaring war. They held out hope until the very end that the soviets would mediate a peace, even after the nukes.

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              Their only condition was that they wanted to keep the Emperor. It was ridiculous of the Allies to demand a wholly conditional surrender. All those people got blown up just to win the argument about that one point. They could have ran a conventional air bombing campaign against tactical targets, but they decided to drop nukes on a “tactical” target in the middle of a huge city! And then they did it again! That’s not tactical, that’s strategic. If you’re going to use nukes, at least use them on a military base far away from cities.

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                They could have ran a conventional air bombing campaign against tactical targets, but they decided to drop nukes on a “tactical” target in the middle of a huge city!>

                I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they did that AS WELL.

                Operation Meetinghouse was the US firebombing of Tokyo on 9th-10th of March 1945 which destroyed a 16 square mile area, killing over 100,000 civilians and making millions homeless

                There’s also the B-29 raids america launched from the Marianas that lasted from 17 November 1944 until 15 August 1945

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                  Civilian homes are not tactical targets.

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      These are word-probability glorified autocorrectors being prompted to “simulate” a nuclear war scenario. What words are going to show up a lot when discussing nuclear war? Launching nukes. Because that’s what all the literature about it has happen.

      Once again, decision making and reasoning is being attributed to something that operates off of word frequency

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      DEFCON: Everybody dies…

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        Such a great game!

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          Back when I was a single man, and lived on my own, I had a HD projector. I filled most of my living room wall with this game. Good times

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    So do I on Civ…

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