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But a true easy to use discord alternative is still not there.
TeamSpeak 6 and Stoat? Didn’t use the second one.
https://fluxer.app/ looks promising
Alright, stoat or revolt or anyone else, you’ve got 6 months. I’ll move my group over in 6 months and donate to the best solution. Thanks everyone for pushing back against discord, to the indie devs who are working on alternatives, and to the self-hosting community for making it possible for me to even plan to move off of discord.
And why not to give Matrix a chance? Stoat (named Revolt before), Fluxer or anything else that is centralised is going to end up doing the same.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too, stoat, fluxer, whatever, don’t care which, but 6 months now that there is momentum gives me hope they can smooth out the UX
So this, but Discord.
This is SO GOOD
As if backlash matters to them. There’s 200+ million active daily users. They’re betting on the majority not giving a fuck, and they are right.
I try and try again to convince my friends to leave discord, but they don’t care. Not sure what it will take for them to change.
Seriously, I already deleted my discord account once before, because their terms of service already were claiming that all private messages and channel messages are being collected and sold to advertisers and data collection groups. I only joined back because I missed my friends. But now?? I could give a fuck, I already spun up Sharkord, and it runs well. In 6 months time, it will likely be good enough to completely ditch discord, so fuck it. My privacy matters more than friends who don’t use their damn brains.
They don’t even need the majority to not give a fuck. Just the idiots that pay for nitro
They’re delaying it by six months. They’re banking on this blowing over by then. Fuck discord.
Let’s hope this gives competitors more time to get things setup well.
Was about to say this, how nice of discord to give people time to migrate to another service
The thing that’s insane to me is that most of the alternatives have screen sharing with working audio on the back burner, while I can tell you that the first one to get it working will be my go to. Hopefully with this extra cushion, one of them can get it working it’s the only thing discord has over its competitors other than general stability related things.
Screen sharing is my deal breaker/maker. If they don’t have it I can’t switch. Hopefully they can get something going in 6 months
This is my take. Fluxer and Root are the top two for my group, but they need more time in the oven(hell, everything does).
So far I’ve uninstalled discord on my devices and I’m using it via the web browser only in a container tab, until my group switches over to something else.
Can’t fucking wait to delete my account.
Matrix seems pretty mature, and has screen sharing with audio?
Same thing happened in 2021-ish when WhatsApp changed their policy that all your information would be shared with Facebook. Outrage pushed it back six months, and then they did it anyway.
this is the second time they have “delayed” the age verification
I cancelled my nitro when it was announced they were doing this shady crap and it’s staying cancelled until there is credible assurances they won’t be handing over personal data to the like so palantir and other related goons.
The only way you should trust them, or anyone else, is if they don’t collect your personal data at all. There is absolutely no way I’d trust any website or service with information like what they want. All of these laws are explicitly designed to create a digital profile of every person so they can track what you do. It can’t be done ethically because it isn’t supposed to be done ethically.
Short of regular 3rd party audits, there’s nothing they can do that would assure they’re handling your data with privacy and care. And even that’s a stretch.
Just like WhatsApp did when they introduced the TOS change for WhatsApp for Business
Nice, I been struggling getting group chats working in Matrix. I don’t have to rush now.
I’d recommend creating a private room and inviting people to it instead. You can optionally enable encryption as well, but keep in mind it has perfect forward secrecy, so people won’t be able to view messages from before they joined.
Don’t enable encryption in group chats unless you want to know what meme unable to decrypt message is about
Was trying to get voice group chats. I’m getting my ass kicked and my set up hasn’t worked yet and keeps getting bigger with parts I’m not sure I need or work.
This is fantastic news! Not because I actually give a shit about sticking with Discord after getting slapped in the face with this insulting age verification nonsense, but because Discord has basically no competition and 6 months will be plenty of time for a real contender to emerge in time for them to shoot themselves in the foot again.
I don’t think Discord actually appreciates how much market share is going to slip away from them in the next 6 months. They were probably better off going through with their clandestine spying plan now while some people might be complacent enough to just comply and provide their ID to get handed over to the fucking Feds.
Delay all you want bitch i’m already gone.
Too late biiiiiiiiiitch we already had our exodus.
Where’d we go though? Which place with the streaming and chatting?
XMPP with their myriad of gnu-ified clients.
Which client is the multi-platform one with message history and streaming video?
Gajim is one. Dino is another (I think). You just need to make sure the client has Jingle compatability (xmpp plugin) for streaming video. A lot let you connect to multiple.xmpp servers
For someone not in, this comments sounds like a meme xD
If I jingle my dino I can connect to what?
No way it gets through “I can’t be arsed” of normies xD
dino all dayyyyyy baybayyyyy
cheogram on Android
The only problem I see are my non-techie friends aren’t used to the skype style calling anymore. They want a voice channel that is persistent for dropping in and out
Movim. Though due to how recent it was implemented, you must use a chromium based browser to stream the application’s audio too.
Matrix, can easily do the above.
Except audio on the screen share, it is my biggest issue with matrix currently.
Why? It works flawlessly for me. Are you self hosting? Are you on Wayland?
I’ve been using matrix.org, it doesn’t work with the desktop app on windows, & I use the element-desktop package from the arch extra repo, which also doesn’t work. I do use Wayland, as I am unable to run an x11 de for various reasons
I setup a Haven (Github) self-hosted instance and am slowly dragging friends over as the dev pumps out features. All the important stuff is already available, still more on the way. Also has things like E2E, which I don’t care about for my community/server, but it is nice to have.
How the heck have I not heard of this one yet? It already looks promising - I see video, chat, channel organization…
It’s one main dev, another doing android, and supporters (I myself have been firing off ideas, suggestions, and issue tickets, and trying to help other users). An electron desktop program is in the works too.
I’ve been using Matrix for about a decade. Federated, encrypted chats and rooms (optional), supports video, self hostable, fully open source.
I have too. It’s… Really not ready for primetime, based on present-day experiences watching rooms lurch into view (and I don’t even think it’s possible to search for them on Android). Has video at least gotten better?
“Too late” isn’t even relevant anyway, they’re still doing it, so everyone should still be leaving.
It’s nice in that it gives the various Discord competitors a longer period to work on getting their software spiffed up.
I’d argue its completely relevant as they are trying to save face here. Anyone who has somehow made it to 2026 without a hostile relationship to corporations (most red and blue team in America) will probably take this as a sign to come back for now.
Agreed; Discord is trying to lull people into a false sense of security as a means of convincing them to stay, in the same manner that Reddit gave limited API access to apps like RedReader to stem the tide of users leaving for platforms like Lemmy.
Beyond age verification, if Discord is scanning a user’s messaging history to determine what their age is, one can only imagine all the other data valuable to data brokers that they are extracting from it too.
Oh, cool, I definitely trust them again. 🙄
As much I agree with the idea of abandoning Discord - honestly, fuck 'em - I just don’t know how I or many other people could practically make the full switch… While I might be able to convince a few of my close friends to go with me to whatever new platform comes about, there’s just no way any larger communities would be able to uproot and leave without losing 90%+ of their members, and that’s only if the owners of those communities are even willing to leave in the first place. Inertia is a powerful thing, and the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of Discord users will not be convinced to leave over this.
I want to defend my privacy, and I want to tell these corporate ghouls to shove it, but at the same time, I don’t want to become a digital hermit. Having to decide between protecting my privacy and cutting myself off from so many valued social connections and communities feels like an impossible choice.
I know I’m not saying anything particularly new or actionable here, I’m just… tired. I’m tired of having to flee from platform after platform into increasingly smaller and more insular corners of the internet to escape the endless cycle of enshittification. I’m tired of what the internet has become, where the only places left where you can exist without being manipulated and exploited by corporate interests are a handful of small, decentralized platforms that are becoming increasingly cut off from the internet at large. I’m just tired of this shit, man.
On this note, I lost contact with a huge number of friends when I deleted my facebook ~15 years ago. Similar for livejournal. I handed out my email address and phone number before I walked away, but people have not used those to contact me at all.
I think people don’t want to put any effort into socialisation. Getting a “feed” is so easy, it feels like you’re connecting with people. You see the comments and likes. But everyone is lonely because they’re not actively interacting, just passively consuming.
If they come, someone will build it
I feel like this article was written for you, based on your last paragraph (the author definitely relates).
I just signed up with Fluxer last night and chat with one of my old Discord friends. Fluxer is still very much in beta and under development, but seems to be a pretty promising open source clone of Discord.
Oh man, when they get native mobile apps, I’m looking to switch my Mattermost server to Fluxer. I’ve had good luck with Mattermost, but its not truly OSS and its been moving features over to paid enterprise accounts so the time is soon.
As much as I like a lot of the discord alternatives out there I fear they will all eventually face the same fate. Decentralised or someone wrapping the signal protocol into a discord like client is probably the only way to avoid this again.
Fluxer plans federation in the future, and its AGPL licensed.
However, it’s still in beta, and the backend’s ability to scale is currently unproven.
For something that’s more proven, we have Movim, which is already federated with the open standard XMPP protocol.
So when all your friends want to screenshare on somewhere else, they install Movim and then sign up on…
And then when they jump into chats, will they be able to search the room history and post memes (images)?
Yep :D
It has full searchable room history, can upload memes (gifs from either links like giphy or directly uploaded), images, video files (playable within the chat), and audio messages.
There’s also a built in paint-like thing that lets you draw directly into the chat, or annotate documents, pictures, or memes.
Well I mean Fluxer is open source and have self hosting options on their roadmap. 🤷♂️
I’m still hopeful about https://veilid.com/ but I suspect that’s a long way out; the protocol is still in development stages, let alone implementations of it.
Is fluxer as network f’ed up as Discord without the minimum democratic standard of human readable domains, or is it the slavery of dozens of undocumented raw IP addresses?
Honestly I have no idea yet, as I only heard of it and signed up last night. I am optimistic though…
Still never using again
We still have to leave discord. But another months to to discard Discord will help. Remember don’t use anything that you can’t self hose, corporations are completely untrustworthy
I hope they never recover. No ill will to the working level who would be impacted, but it needs to be clear to companies that this shit is TOXIC to your brand to even consider in 2026.
This gives us all more time to find a good alternative!!!
