Witnesses at the scene told CBS Colorado that the suspect attacked people with Molotov cocktails who were participating in a walk to remember the Israeli hostages who remain in Gaza.
Run For Their Lives, which organized the walk, said, “This is not a protest; it is a peaceful walk to show solidarity with the hostages and their families, and a plea for their release.” The group met at 1 p.m. at Pearl Street and 8th Street to walk the length of the Pearl Street Mall and back with a stop at the courthouse for a video.
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Can we like, agree that throwing Mollies at non-combatants is shit?
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What if the “non-combatants” rally and raise funds for one of the two combatants?
No.
Actually it’s only Bad to use high explosive bombs on civilians, incendiaries are actually fine.
…were participating in a walk to remember the Israeli hostages who remain in Gaza.
Just forgetting about the Palestinian hostages held by Israel?
I have conflicting feelings. On one hand this was a horrific attack on a peaceful walk. On the otherhand they only care about Israeli hostages and that rubs me in all the wrong ways.
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They were and have been marching for peace… most people see the need for an end to hostilities, they are Jewish and they want the hostages returned, I don’t know their ideology but I assume they want the Palestinian hostages held by IDF and the Israeli government returned as well to their families…
The rest of website goes on in the same vein. All they want are Jewish Israeli hostages returned.
And the group they were founded by, The Hostages and Missing Families Forum, has the same focus.
At best these groups just don’t care about Palestinians. At worst they are Zionists.
By your logic one could say at worst you are a Nazi…
There’s still no reason to throw a Molotov cocktail at these people.
Not everything is so black and white. You can want the hostages from IDF and Hamas returned and also want the genocide in Gaza to stop…
By your logic one could say at worst you are a Nazi…
And you are an actual dancing bear using Lemmy.
There’s still no reason to throw a Molotov cocktail at these people.
Hence why I said I had conflicted feelings.
Not everything is so black and white. You can want the hostages from IDF and Hamas returned and also want the genocide in Gaza to stop…
Pretty clear this organization and its founders dont care about Palestinian hostages. Go have a browse around the websites I linked. Or go find them yourself and look at them.
I stand by what I said: they either don’t care or they are Zionists.
Ah, so that’s why the FBI is going in now, instead of literally any other time this has happened in the past 8-10 years (at least)
Probably because someone firebombed a pedestrian mall. That’s the kind of thing that they tend to investigate.
The FBI are generally inept idiots, and that was before America went Fascist. Their presence isn’t going to be a help, especially now. Read through history. They’ve screwed up so many investigations.
I don’t have conflicted feelings. I’m sure the people engaged in this protest would be more than happy to strip me, my family, and my friends of my rights and finish the destruction of the US.
The right has lost my sympathy.
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Marching for 20 hostages to me implies they are completely okay with actions being taken against the Palestinian people. Why march for 20 when millions are facing starvation. Hell the total blockade means the hostages aren’t likely getting much food either.
So either they don’t care about the genocide or they value the lives of millions as lesser.
There was a time when I would have felt bad for these people, but I’m over it.
As to what the right has to do with this, they have been the most enthusiastic supporters of the genocide. So seems like a fair assumption to me.
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They’re dedicating time to the other side of the conflict. This isn’t a protest about some unrelated topic. This is directly related.
So maybe save the bad faith arguments? Or at least make one that’s more convincing
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It’s civilians on both sides. Let’s not ignore that.
If these were random people I’d feel bad, but they’ve made their stances clear. But continue with the anti-semetism claims. Favorite tactic of the far right these days.
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This group doesn’t see Palestinian lives as worth as much as Israeli ones, clearly.
I’m sorry but 21 hostages don’t hold a candle to over 50k dead, including women and children and 1.8 million classified as “extremely critical” levels of hunger. There’s a famine in Gaza right now, they’ve been scorch earth bombed to hell resulting in widespread homelessness. Israel just gunned down and murdered 30 innocent people today and injured hundreds more who were there for food from an aid truck simply for crossing a line slightly before 6 AM.
Fuck out of here. Sudan and Haiti are not part of this conversation for a reason and it’s because Haiti is in the Caribbean for fucks sake so that’s a stretch to “you don’t care about hostages”. It’s a genocide orchestrated by the Israeli government. The hostages are a flimsy excuse at best.
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The organization’s website says it was founded by Israelis. They carry Israeli flags. It is a pro-israel protest.
The reality of the situation is that those hostages do not fucking matter when Israel’s response is to carpet bomb the most densely populated region of the world, starve them, and trap them from ever leaving.
It is incredibly tone deaf to protest for the Israeli hostages. I can guarantee you they do not care about Palestinian lives if this is what their focus is on and they don’t mention Palestine.
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You are not having this conversation in good faith. You’re taking a very closed-minded perspective to someone saying “killing thousands of children is bad” AND “not enough was even done to save the hostages.” I’ve met people like you in real life, and I suspect the pain of admitting that you’re even slightly in the wrong about a country you value must really hurt, but it does not make genocide apologia ok. I’ve accepted my own country sucks, so you can make peace with a place like Israel too.
Also, if “discussion” like this is what this comm tolerates, I sure as hell don’t want to be a part of the conversations here.
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I promise you it is 100% their genocidal actions I take issue with and not their religion.
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This is my core issue with a lot of people who label themselves as “pro-Palestine.” Equivalent levels of mass civilian suffering have been happening all over the Muslim world for decades - Yemen, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan - yet hardly anyone seems to pay much attention when it’s Muslims killing other Muslims. But the moment it’s Jews involved, it becomes headline news and sparks protests in the streets. And in this particular case, the protesting had already started while Israelis were still being killed in Israel and the IDF hadn’t even stepped into Gaza.
I would be significantly less pissed off if the money that should be used to make our society function, were used here instead of to help perpetuate a genocide. That’s the difference with his one. I am directly paying to starve millions of people to death. It’s just one more subscription I have. An endless flood of images of human degradation and suffering brought to you by the USA and Israel.
To be honest, I don’t care about those 20 hostages. Israel certainly doesn’t. They are starving those hostages too, and bombing them. Indiscriminately. Why should I care when they clearly don’t. They want to kill more people, fine let them. Let them also face the consequences for those actions like every other middle eastern country. Without Big Brother standing behind them, Israel wouldn’t be able to do this shit.
Israel’s behavior in this genocide is not new. It’s not surprising except with its openness. I’m sure the person who threw the fire is completely unsurprised with how the war has gone.
To be clear, I have no more problems with jews than any other religious freak. But Israelis are vile swine.
Being angry about your tax dollars being used for something you ethically oppose is a fair point - and one I hadn’t considered before.
However, my criticism still stands when it comes to the rest of the world, where anti-Israel and pro-Palestine sentiment is comparatively similar, despite the lack of direct financial involvement.
Yeah because everyone knows that Israel has been oppressing Haiti and Sudan for 80 years… So fucking disingenuous.
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No. You’re talking out of your ass
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“… all I saw was someone on fire,” said Victor.
I wish hell existed for people who would do something so horrific.
This, of course is abhorrent but with how Israel is behaving, I think that Jewish people will have to be more and more careful in the future.
Of course it isn’t their fault, but as the Israel government is working hard to make Jews the most hated ethnographic group in the world, people will be needing to be careful showing who they are. It’s sad, really
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We are so primed for a replay of ww2, it is scary. Well, nobody’s fault but Israel’s.
Those marching as “bring them home” actually meant “bomb their home”.
