A minority in alberta want to separate because they are racists and trans/homophobes. They think we will disappear if they separate. I for one will die keeping Alberta Canadian.
You dont even need to look at movements abroad to dispute this comparison. Quebec is right there and they had and have an actual, not-astroturfed independence movement with actual justifications for their beliefs, with an argument grounded in the right to self-determination and their national history.
Alberta has nothing going on that makes independence a serious consideration.
I don’t know about Quebec either, only in passing. At least in knew it existed for a while, Alberta I didn’t until this post, so I guess what you say tracks
What you name in your post are independent movements that have been going on since pretty much forever, and it’s a freedom that that population wants.
Alberta is just a bunch of rich pricks very likely directed and funded by the US. Yes, this part is slightly conspiratorial, but it is very obvious that that government has very unsanitary connections with the US Republicans.
Had it been for example Quebec, it might have been a different story, this just very much feels like the US Republicans working hard to destabilize Canada
Fuck Danielle Smith with an umbrella, she is a traitor who sold out the provence to the US, pretty much
For the record: Québec independence leaders are very adamant about the “historical relation to the US” these days: if Canada is divesting its economy, Québec should become independent to keep good relations with the US. So I would not be surprised if some money was flowing that way too.
Needless to say you see an independent Québec becoming a vassal state to the US from miles away.
Exactly, it is very telling the trumpists are salivating over Alberta but haven’t touched Quebec, which is the one province that has a movement with an actually legitimate independence movement.
I can’t speak for all Canadians, I truly have no idea.
From my own personal opinion, I’m aware that every independence movement is a unique case, and I won’t pretend I understand any of them outside of my own country, nor would I blindly support any of them just because they were ostensibly independence movements.
I will say this, again from my perspective, it seems to me that Alberta isn’t and never was an independent country like Scotland may have been, and the history of Alberta - including the indigenous peoples who currently live there and have agreements with the federal government (notably NOT the province) - as well as recent Canadian law on the topics (eg Clarity Act), puts Alberta in a rather more clear position on the topic of independence. That is to say, even if they could reconcile all treaty matters and carve out any land for themselves, and even if they could reimburse the federal government for all the pension plan balances and the proportion of debt, and even if they had a sustainable economic foundation, they probably would never get through the legal and constitutional blockers.
I know all of this about Alberta, and none of this about Scotland. So, no opinion of value, and no comment.
But if it looked like Brexit, I would instinctively advise against it.
Bit tangential, but what’s the Canadian opinion on other independence movements like Scotland, Catanuya…
I have the feeling a lot of people support independence from other countries, but reject the one at home.
I’m not Canadian so I don’t know the context of Alberta, feel free to ELI5.
A minority in alberta want to separate because they are racists and trans/homophobes. They think we will disappear if they separate. I for one will die keeping Alberta Canadian.
You dont even need to look at movements abroad to dispute this comparison. Quebec is right there and they had and have an actual, not-astroturfed independence movement with actual justifications for their beliefs, with an argument grounded in the right to self-determination and their national history.
Alberta has nothing going on that makes independence a serious consideration.
I don’t know about Quebec either, only in passing. At least in knew it existed for a while, Alberta I didn’t until this post, so I guess what you say tracks
Yes, but this is different
What you name in your post are independent movements that have been going on since pretty much forever, and it’s a freedom that that population wants.
Alberta is just a bunch of rich pricks very likely directed and funded by the US. Yes, this part is slightly conspiratorial, but it is very obvious that that government has very unsanitary connections with the US Republicans.
Had it been for example Quebec, it might have been a different story, this just very much feels like the US Republicans working hard to destabilize Canada
Fuck Danielle Smith with an umbrella, she is a traitor who sold out the provence to the US, pretty much
For the record: Québec independence leaders are very adamant about the “historical relation to the US” these days: if Canada is divesting its economy, Québec should become independent to keep good relations with the US. So I would not be surprised if some money was flowing that way too.
Needless to say you see an independent Québec becoming a vassal state to the US from miles away.
Exactly, it is very telling the trumpists are salivating over Alberta but haven’t touched Quebec, which is the one province that has a movement with an actually legitimate independence movement.
I can’t speak for all Canadians, I truly have no idea.
From my own personal opinion, I’m aware that every independence movement is a unique case, and I won’t pretend I understand any of them outside of my own country, nor would I blindly support any of them just because they were ostensibly independence movements.
I will say this, again from my perspective, it seems to me that Alberta isn’t and never was an independent country like Scotland may have been, and the history of Alberta - including the indigenous peoples who currently live there and have agreements with the federal government (notably NOT the province) - as well as recent Canadian law on the topics (eg Clarity Act), puts Alberta in a rather more clear position on the topic of independence. That is to say, even if they could reconcile all treaty matters and carve out any land for themselves, and even if they could reimburse the federal government for all the pension plan balances and the proportion of debt, and even if they had a sustainable economic foundation, they probably would never get through the legal and constitutional blockers.
I know all of this about Alberta, and none of this about Scotland. So, no opinion of value, and no comment.
But if it looked like Brexit, I would instinctively advise against it.