• Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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    I will continue to post this every time someone insinuates that someone else should murder Trump/ICE Agents/ etc. Instead, please focus on protecting you and yours.

    In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.

    Owning a gun isn’t enough. Driving to Cabela’s and picking up a vermin killing .22 is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.

    I am not advocating for violence…far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.

    PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect.

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      Shotguns are not a good buy. A standard 12 gauge has significantly more recoil than typical rifles, a lower rate of fire, significantly less range, smaller magazine capacity, and lower reliability due to the construction of the ammunition. It is also completely ineffective against hard armor plates that are now ubiquitous.

      Suppressors are cool, but they’re not all that useful. Most people would not have them, so hearing protection would still be required. Simple foam ear plugs are the most effective, and very cheap. Electronic muffs with a pass-thru microphone and speaker system can be had for as little as $50, allowing you to hear everything around you other than the gunshots.

      The purchase order for someone trying to make themselves a player in a democracy, is a semi-auto rifle, preferably an AR-15, a dozen magazines, ammunition, electronic muffs. Following that, a sling, an optic, a way to carry magazines on your body, ceramic armor plates. You can consider a pistol, a baton, around the time you’re getting a first aid kit, a radio, a helmet.

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        Price, availability, and ease-of-use make a 12 gauge pump action the best choice in areas where AR-15s and other scary looking black rifles are restricted.

        Make sure to have ammunition appropriate to your environment. 00 buck is perfect for rural homes, #4 buck is better suited to neighborhoods where collateral damage is a concern.

        Make sure to have some bird loads for drones, but use caution when shooting in, around, or toward populated areas.

        Be advised, hollow point slugs are not effective against armor, nor is any kind of shotgun load.

        And be warned, the instant you fire that thing indoors, you won’t be able to hear anything for a minute. Hearing protection can help, if you have time to put it on.

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          Even in areas of the US where AR-15s are restricted, it is usually possible to purchase one in a neutered configuration, which can be returned to standard configuration if you’re so inclined.

          There are other box-magazine fed intermediate-cartridge semi-automatic rifles that are a better choice than a 12ga shotgun, and don’t run afoul of assault weapons bans, such as the Mini-14 and SKS.

          A pump action shotgun is better than nothing, but it is most suitable for hunting ducks and deer.

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          I urge people to look into LoRa based motion sensors. Not as good as direct wired but better than WiFi due to range. This will give you the moment you need to get ready.

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        I’m okay with a shotgun. Blowing someone who just illegally entered my home back out the way they can sans lots of innards sets a precedent.

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      Do be aware that suppressors are substantially restricted in some states. Where I live, earplugs or shooting muffs are the only option

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          As a practical matter:

          • no gun store here will sell me a suppressor
          • nobody will ship me one
          • I can buy earplugs in bulk cheaply and easily
          • a gun is just as lethal without a suppressor
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            Then build one.

            Suppressors are just tubes with baffle plates. You can make one with home depot parts if you needed to.

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              You can make one with home depot parts if you needed to.

              Not really. You could shove some freeze plugs from the auto parts store into a capped length of iron pipe from the hardware store, but the tap to thread it onto a muzzle isn’t something you’ll find in either store. And good luck getting all the holes to line up if you’re trying to do it with a hand drill or a drill press. In the end, you’d have a real piece of shit, weighing down the front of your gun for little benefit.

              You’d be better off not bothering until the local machine shop starts selling nice ones, along with full-auto conversions.

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        Assuming an American audience, suppressors are a federally controlled device requiring a background check. Some states control or ban them outright more strictly.

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      Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect.

      Will deffos put you on a list but yes, absolutely. I wish the tax stamps weren’t so high because morons who knew nothing about firearms were trying to score “I’m doing something” points.

      Ask any service member who’s probably still fighting with the VA because their hearing loss and tinnitus at age 38 is deemed “Not service related.”

      That being said, these electronic earmuffs people are mentioning are the bee’s knees, so you could invest in a couple pairs of those and a poopton of batteries for the same cost as a suppressor, and still have enough left over for other important things, like a first aid kit.

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        Tax stamps are $0 as of Jan 1st this year. Silencershop even has kiosks at gun stores that’ll take your fingerprints for the Form 1, and the processing time is down to about a month before you take ownership.