• DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    All Stalin had to do was not make a deal with Hitler.

    He didn’t have to cozy up to Churchill, just not make a deal with Hitler.

    Also, after he made the deal he killed anyone who tried to tell him that Hitler was going to stab him in the back.

    Communists in the German army walked up to the Russian lines and told them that invasion was on the way. Stalin had them killed.

    The Russian people beat Hitler; Stalin was a yoke around their neck.

    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml
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      But the Soviets did try to cozy up to the UK, France, etc. Before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came into being

      Because the Soviets knew that the Nazi’s wanted to to Manifest Destiny in Eastern Europe.

      They were turned away because western the powers thought that the Nazi’s would do the dirty work of destroying the Communists for them.

      So, to bide time, the Soviets see no other choice but to make nice with the Nazis for a time.

      We can look back, with the benefit of hindsight, at aspects of all this, and say “Damn x thing about this sucked shit”, but I think you’re being overly simplistic in your assessment

    • guy@piefed.social
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      The Soviets plan was to make a non-aggression pact to buy themselves time to not get invaded since they knew that it was coming.

      And as SpookyBogMonster said, they did try to achieve that a decade earlier with the western powers but were rejected.

      This is however besides the point. Stalin was a part of the allies and not upvoting something just because Stalin is present in the picture is dumb.

      The Russian people beat Hitler

      Same goes for the rest of the allied soldiers but hey, it’s Churchill and Franklin we speak of

      • FishFace@piefed.social
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        The Soviets plan was to make a non-aggression pact to buy themselves time to not get invaded since they knew that it was coming.

        Yeah, officially that’s what they did. And they also agreed on which parts of Europe they would each help themselves to.

      • DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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        You cut out the part where I said Stalin was a yoke around the neck of the Russians.

        He killed a lot of his own best generals. Neither Churchill or FDR did that.