Kurwa mac. You’re posting some bullshit purity test nonsense. “oh no, there’s one bad person who in this context was doing the right thing, let’s disregard it completely!”
Stalin is as bad or maybe worse parson than Hitler. And on this picture exactly its captured a moment when allies were selling allies by making a deal with him at their expense of freedom and lives. 40% of polish land was stolen. Legimate Polish goverment that was sending trups to die with British and American soldier was removed and replaced with soviet-backed puppets that day. It was the end of democracy in Poland for the next 44 years. Iligal annexation of Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania was signed that day. All allies. Fate of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria was sealed behind iron curtain that day.
“Bad person doing right thing” is a very reductive way to look at this.
Of course you weren’t. You just refuse to revisit imperial-centric view of history, and chose to defend the day when ~100 Million people were betrayed by 2 nations. All in defend of upvoting possibly the worse person that ever lived.
I have no doubt’s about your good intentions. But I don’t understand why learning that things have nuances and that victors tend to color their victory narrative makes you defensive.
If upvoting Stalin don’t make you sick to your stomach, you didn’t have a chance to learn about him enought.
chose to defend the day when ~100 Million people were betrayed by 2 nations.
I didn’t realise poland was that big /s
But I don’t understand why learning that things have nuances and that victors tend to color their victory narrative makes you defensive.
I do understand. I get that Stalin installed an authoritarian puppet and abused poland and was just another invasion to the poles and etc etc etc. I get that the iron curtain states were abused and stripped of resources and maimed and another zillion things.
I get that , just like every person that leaves a place with a left wing dictator, Poland now hates anything remotely left wing, or fucking whatever.
As a side note, I even know the polish contribtions made in the allied “free” countries like britain, where they helped the RAF, and with doing heavy lifting for decoding the enigma machine and a zillion other things that I am unaware of the specifics of.
But if you think for a second that having hitler keep poland as lebensraum , continue to literally liquidate polish people and other slavs they saw as untermenchen and have nazi germany continue existing would have been better for anyone; poles, jews, other europeans, would have been better, you are the one that needs to re-examine their ideas and interpretation of history.
Casualties
Around 5.5 million[1] to 6 million killed[a][2]
2 million ethnic Poles
3 million Polish Jews
1 million Polish citizens with other nationality
If you want to say that perpetuating this beyond six years, and being under the nazis indefinitely , would have been better than being under the soviets, and stalin specifically for 8 more years, I have nothing further to add, you are too far in the sauce to talk reason to.
how’s not voting for trump’s opponents working out for you?
Co kurwa?
Kurwa mac. You’re posting some bullshit purity test nonsense. “oh no, there’s one bad person who in this context was doing the right thing, let’s disregard it completely!”
Stalin is as bad or maybe worse parson than Hitler. And on this picture exactly its captured a moment when allies were selling allies by making a deal with him at their expense of freedom and lives. 40% of polish land was stolen. Legimate Polish goverment that was sending trups to die with British and American soldier was removed and replaced with soviet-backed puppets that day. It was the end of democracy in Poland for the next 44 years. Iligal annexation of Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania was signed that day. All allies. Fate of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria was sealed behind iron curtain that day. “Bad person doing right thing” is a very reductive way to look at this.
that’s cool for you, and the alliance pictured is what beat the nazis and ended ww2. so I don’t care.
Ended for some, prolonged the occupation for others. And yes, I see the lack of carrying. That’s exactly why it was a betrayal.
Yep, I personally slammed all those Poles into the gas chambers. I was the nazi all along.
Of course you weren’t. You just refuse to revisit imperial-centric view of history, and chose to defend the day when ~100 Million people were betrayed by 2 nations. All in defend of upvoting possibly the worse person that ever lived.
I have no doubt’s about your good intentions. But I don’t understand why learning that things have nuances and that victors tend to color their victory narrative makes you defensive.
If upvoting Stalin don’t make you sick to your stomach, you didn’t have a chance to learn about him enought.
I didn’t realise poland was that big /s
I do understand. I get that Stalin installed an authoritarian puppet and abused poland and was just another invasion to the poles and etc etc etc. I get that the iron curtain states were abused and stripped of resources and maimed and another zillion things.
I get that , just like every person that leaves a place with a left wing dictator, Poland now hates anything remotely left wing, or fucking whatever.
As a side note, I even know the polish contribtions made in the allied “free” countries like britain, where they helped the RAF, and with doing heavy lifting for decoding the enigma machine and a zillion other things that I am unaware of the specifics of.
But if you think for a second that having hitler keep poland as lebensraum , continue to literally liquidate polish people and other slavs they saw as untermenchen and have nazi germany continue existing would have been better for anyone; poles, jews, other europeans, would have been better, you are the one that needs to re-examine their ideas and interpretation of history.
here’s something fun for you :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_war_crimes_in_occupied_Poland_during_World_War_II
If you want to say that perpetuating this beyond six years, and being under the nazis indefinitely , would have been better than being under the soviets, and stalin specifically for 8 more years, I have nothing further to add, you are too far in the sauce to talk reason to.
EDIT: also this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany