• Cocodapuf@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    There’s still Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I’d vote for her in a heartbeat.

    I guess the only problem is that the voters of the US have proved themselves to still be a bit too sexist, with Clinton followed by Harris.

    Personally, I put that at the feet of conservative women. When Obama ran, the African American vote showed up, he got a lot of support from voters that often leaned conservative. When women run, all too often it’s the female vote that doesn’t show up.

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      My problem is that AOC voted to stop the rail unions from striking. Funny how democrats can do so much nothing now, yet can flex so hard when a working class movement has momentum.

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      Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Women who run for office win at similar rates as men. That doesn’t sound like a sexist electorate to me.

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        Why is a sexist electorate even hard to believe? Why is there even reason to doubt it? Hell, given the clear impact racism has had on our country these past few years, it seems awfully silly to write off sexism as a possibility. I mean, look around.

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          Could very well be, but Hillary Clinton’s presidential run doesn’t provide evidence to that effect, since the majority of voters chose her.

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            the majority of voters chose her.

            So what? The majority of people aren’t racists, that doesn’t mean that we don’t have racism. Sexism can exist and have measurable effects even if a female candidate gets more votes. The fact is, she didn’t get enough votes. That is in part because some voters wrote her off, believing a male candidate would be better because they were male. We know this is true because people have actually said that sex was a factor after casting their vote.

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              Again, agree, but a woman candidate getting the most votes is just not good evidence of sexism. Al Gore also didn’t get enough votes.

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                  This argument only seems to come up in the context of AOC running. It never seems to apply to all the MAGA women, or even right-wing Dems. And it seems very odd to argue that a woman can’t win votes due to sexism, and to cite as evidence a woman who won.

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      I think AOC would be able to overcome the sexism because she actually cares about the working class, unlike the establishment plants that reinforce the notion that our government doesn’t serve us.

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        Claiming “sexism” is how you obfuscate that the candidates were garbage people.

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          Ouch… So then you must be of the opinion that Trump won the election on his merits?

          Perhaps it was his fiscal responsibility that won him the day?

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            Dems lost in 2024 because Kamala Harris reached out to Republicans and ignored the left, and because the primary theme of her campaign was “Things are pretty good,” when things were not. Sexism was a very minor part of the end result.

            If we want people to vote for Democrats, we need better Democrats.