• Basic Glitch@sh.itjust.works
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    37 minutes ago

    Poor people: “Well I guess there’s only one solution really.” Gestures to unpaid taxes and clears throat.

    Billionaires: “Yes…” Looks at AI and fully automated societies before clutching pocketbook closer. “One final solution.”

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    1 hour ago

    I don’t think that, the difference that these guys and not rich anymore they are filthy rich. If someone is smarter than me they should deserve to be richer than me. But have hundreds of billions and etc. this is just to much.

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      No, they don’t deserve to be richer than you

      First off, “smarter” is a really hard concept. Do you think Elmo Musk is smarter than you? He’s a conman and an idiot and I guarantee you he isn’t smarter than you

      Then there are people that have certain specializations. They know everything about very little. This means they are very smart nonbthe subjects they know about and well, not so smart in others

      There are also the true geniuses, but those usually don’t end up uber rich. The theoretical physicists under us aren’t known for being billionaires

      Then there is just the basic question: what is smart? Somebody who mnaged to make a lot of money? Usually that’s not smart, it’s stepping on others backs. Musk made a lot of money but he did it by lying and scamming (and he continues to this day)

      And even then… Let’s assume for a second that there are objectively smarter people out there, do they deserve more than you and I, just because of good genetics? Fuck that Nazi shit.

      I want a world wide wealth cap. Say, 1 million dollar (pinky pushing against corner of mouth)

      We can keep capitalism as-is, all fine, but when your networth gets higher, your income taxes get higher… when you reach 1 million, 100% goes to taxes

      This way, we have the strengths of capitalism yet no more millionaires. Without millionaires, a huge amount of shit that comes with them, disappears too. Governments on the other hand get a huge tax income that they can spend on free healthcare, free education, universal basic income, you name it. Nobody will be super rich, nobody will ever be poor again.

      The 1M is a random number I pulled out of my ass, but the point stands. We need to cap how much net worth a single person can have. There is no explicit right that says you should be allowed to hoard money and art and networth.

      Within that limit we can allow people to do what they want. What to buy an expensive house? As long as it’s under the max, sure!

      Those crazy ass houses with 500 rooms from oligarchs? Convert them into hotels. Same goes for those crazy luxury ships, make small cruise ships out of them. Ban private jets unless for things where it makes sense, like medical transportation or something

      We don’t NEED private jets for anyone, especially not in the age of video calls

      Billionaires and millionaires are the main reason why democracy is dying, why the world’s environment is dying, why things are as bad as they are, today.

      Ban millionaires, ban billionaires and let everybody be as “rich” as they want within the wealth cap.

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      Agree. I’d even go as far to say, they can get filthy rich, but not at an expense of people getting low quality product, low quality of life, and in the process messing up the environment too, but usually, when everything is said and done, that’s how they get ultra rich.

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      He also assumed automation would be helpful for the working class because he thought it would mean we wouldn’t have to work to survive. I don’t think he saw billionaires just breeding the working class for wars or organ harvesting and completely replacing their labor with robots. I guess he didn’t really think about how low they will always stoop.

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    3 hours ago

    Now lets do another massively funded research project to figure out the next step a lot of people already know… LOBBYING!!

    Rich people use Lobbying groups to manipulate countries and ruin the sovereignty of the nation, have done so since Lobbying groups were added to Capitilism…

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    15 hours ago

    Who would be surprised that concentrating most resources in a few is the opposite of the common good…

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    15 hours ago

    No shit, Sherlock ©

    Waiting for another news. Like water is wet and education should function well

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    24 hours ago

    Capitalism is a threat to democracy.

    But thanks for getting on nearly the same page, Oxfam.

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      Most -ism’s are the problem, every hericarical civilization throughout all of sapien time has collapsed, destroyed the local enviorment etc. Inequality is the issue.

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        That’s like saying “He didn’t die from getting his head blown off he died because his blood circulation was interrupted for too long”.

        Capitalism leads directly to inequality.

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    1 day ago

    I believe Plato pointed this out in The Republic.

    He thought the richest citizen needed to have no more then 5x the wealth of the poorest citizen or you would inevitably slide into oligarchy.

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      16 hours ago

      How strange that some Texas university was recently banning a professor from teaching Plato to students because it had too much “equality” in it.

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      We crossed that threshold so long ago that you can make 5x the poverty level and still not be able to afford a house.

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        Well 5x0 is 0 so yeah. This sounds like a good system though. Desperate for that Billion clout? Make sure everyone else has 200mil first.

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          0 isn’t real, it is a social construct created by big math.

          You add by 0 and its still the same… what?

          You subtract by 0 and its still the same… why?

          You multiply by 0 and you BECOME 0, the heck?

          You divide by 0 and its… big not even a number just a concept… sure buddy!

  • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
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    We’ve been pointing this out ever since the concept of currency became a thing, but I’m sure we will learn our lesson this time and stop doing it. This can’t just be how it will always be until we drive ourselves to extinction stuck on this miserable rock, Right?

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      We’ve been pointing this out ever since the concept of currency became a thing, but I’m sure we will learn our lesson this time and stop doing it.

      I think that this became an issue even before currency. It happened as soon as agriculture allowed for accumulation of resources, power, and wealth. I sometimes think that that was really the point when humanity took the wrong turn.

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        1 hour ago

        “I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self-aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself."

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      Structural issues make egalitarian economic systems difficult. Wealth and social influence compound once another in a virtuous cycle. Wealth has a strong hereditary bias, even in socialist economic models. And violence is historically a powerful tool for accruing wealth. Very difficult to establish universal deterrence against violence.

      This isn’t a question of people being smart or stupid. It’s an elaborate balancing act that becomes exponentially more difficult as population size expands.

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      24 hours ago

      Hey, the rock is fine, we’ve made society a miserable place. The pack is calling me…

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        Not a very good actor, but seems like a good person and he’s funny. He worked hard to be where he is so sure “the rock” is fine.