• als@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 days ago

    And the American settlers genocided the native Americans. All the western super-powers are built of slaughter, rape and pillage.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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      2 days ago

      My dude, pretty much all countries have been founded by genocidal settlers.

      Problem is that some of them can’t get past it and keep being genocidal settlers.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        17 hours ago

        Exactly.

        The problem is those countries were the 19th century colonialist mindset isn “something we fortunately left behind” but instead is alive and well.

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        Absolutely true, but the point isn’t whataboutism (well, sometimes it is, but it shouldn’t be). The point should be admitting and owning our mistakes and doing what we reasonably can to:

        a) admit that we did and validate the experience of the people who suffered from it
        b) make sure we’re not still doing it (way too often we still are, just through subtler means)
        c) try to make reparations if we can

        Even getting to step ‘a’ is a big fucking step. Nobody’s innocent, but honesty is the foundation on which improvements can be made.

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        Well, once you’ve had your country invaded by rabid psychopaths, there’s bound to be some gene admixture (to put that far too mildly) and so you’ve a chance that their descendents, even if it’s recessive and rare, will have the desire go on to do the same.

        Of course, rabid psychopathy and the urge to invade other places can also come about on its own, but when you look at the way the Vikings and their Germanic cousins invaded western Europe a thousand years or so ago, and then note what happened a few hundred years later, it has to make you wonder whether it might have only happened the once.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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          This completely depends on the organisation of society and has nothing to do with genetics. I don’t even know what you are going on about.

          BTW Germans were also invaded by Asian people multiple times. In fact, the most brutal genocide in history scaled to population size was committed by an Asian dude against mostly Europeans. It’s not like some nations were better with this than others. Middle-Eastern people did it just the same as Latins as well as Vikings and North, West and East Asians.

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      1 day ago

      You think other empires weren’t. No slaves in Russia, Persia or china. Rest of the world was peaceful and dainty.

      How about the americas pre Columbus. Do you think they were peaceful and had not slaves.

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        23 hours ago

        I mean, idk about the Aztecs but the Incas didn’t. But regardless, chattel slavery is a purely Western creation and for at least two millennia the European man has been the main source of grief and destruction in the world. Idc if you refute it, I understand why you would, but it’s neither productive nor honest.

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          21 hours ago

          Your “I don’t know” and your “I don’t care” pretty much sum up you grasp of history