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Russia next?
Russia’s already had this plan in the works for years. They call it “Sovereign internet”.
China too.
Are you not aware of the great firewall?
Different. Iran’s proposal would, if enacted, literally makes communications to the outside world impossible, since they are literally disconnecting the internet from the outside. It’s more like North Korea. In constrast, VPNs are still a thing in China… for now at least. Not every western site gets blocked. There’s a Chinese lemmy instance btw. Information flows in and out of China all the time.
Exactly, China filters their Internet. Just like Facebook and Twitter do. Instead of being at the whims of two rich individuals it’s at the whim of the government.
Not that one is better than the other, but US users experience the same (from a technical standpoint, not ideologically) kind of filtering but they’re not told that it is the great Zuck firewall or the great Elon firewall even though it is used in the same way to filter topics and ideas that the owner doesn’t like.
Exactly, China filters their Internet. Just like Facebook and Twitter do. Instead of being at the whims of two rich individuals it’s at the whim of the government.
Not that one is better than the other, but US users experience the same (from a technical standpoint, not ideologically) kind of filtering but they’re not told that it is the great Zuck firewall or the great Elon firewall even though it is used in the same way to filter topics and ideas that the owner doesn’t like.
The US doesn’t really block VPNs or many websites. I can access Baidu and QQ stuff in the US without a VPN. My parents regularly use WeChat here in the US without a VPN. In contrast, in China you can’t access a lot of western sites like Facebook/Twitter/Wikipedia, and, intermittently, Reddit, gets blocked without a VPN, and VPNs are much more difficult to obtain and use in China compared to the US.
As for Facebook/Twitter censorship, that’s on the people. They could easily switch to alternative platforms without using any VPNs but they just choose not to.
Oh yeah, certainly. The US Government isn’t openly censoring the Internet and most of the ‘censorship’ is done by private individuals (who, I would argue, have even more power over the average person’s life).
I’m not making a false equivalence, just pointing out that even if the government isn’t doing it the people in the US shouldn’t be so smug because they are also getting viewpoint-filtered Internet, except their viewpoint dictator is some tech bro billionaire of questionable morality.
I will say, to the passive readers, it’s very possible to live without a site that recommends you content. Avoiding those sites avoids a huge amount of propaganda and emotional priming (which affects you even if you know it is misleading, very important!). Get your news from reputable polls, primary sources (like court documents and case filings) and trusted news organizations (which absolutely exist, despite the drumbeat of ‘don’t trust the media(trust Elon instead!)’ propaganda over the past decade).
Delete Meta, TikTok and X as if your sanity depends on it. Stay away from Reddit, stay away from Lemmy communities that primarily pedal in content that makes you angry, outraged or afraid. If you see a piece of media that makes you outraged, angry, afraid or to think conspiratorially stay far away. Those emotions can be primed into your subconsciousness through content that you rationally know is misleading, knowing that something is misleading does not protect you from being conditioned by it.
Read psychological textbooks about how this works. Look for terms like respondent conditioning, semantic/context/social priming. The Social Dilemma and The Great Hack are excellent documentaries that show the technology involved(The Social Dilemma) and how it can be used to affect political outcomes like Brexit and Trump’s first campaign (The Great Hack, and also any journalism covering Cambridge Analytica).
These are techniques that have been used for advertising purposes for a long time. Now instead of promoting body shame to make you buy makeup, they’re selling conspiratorial thinking so that you doubt the reality that you see with your own eyes or fear of government agents so you avoid the polls and fear of social/career/legal retribution so that you don’t speak your mind on social media.
Get rid of that garbage and protect yourself from this kind of attack, anyone who is paying attention can see the damage being caused in the world… this is how it is being done. Delete it.
China kinda did already. But they could make it official.
BRICS internet.
Stop trying to make BRICS happen it’s not going to happen.
Also it sounds like you want BRICS to be a group of country where they don’t have freedom of speech? Why would this be a good thing?
I don’t try.
Just based on China, Iran, and Russia, it seems kinda logical for them to agree on the tech side of things (just to make it look like a big thing).
They’ll probably still get pornhub though, right?
They’ll probably still get pornhub though, right?
All of these repressive regimes are always suppressing porn. I know china takes a hard line against it. Iran must as well given their hardcore religious sensibilities.
The US is getting more authoritarian too and we are cutting off porn, I see a pattern here.
It’s all about keeping up the population so there are lots of new soldiers.
I don’t think promoting population growth through cutting off porn, there’s no data to suggest a correlation between those two things.
Population growth is more influenced by providing the population with enough income and secure housing so that they’re not stressed and scared all of the time. This would hurt earnings and that would upset the handful of people who control most of the private/public equity in the country, so obviously this will not stand a chance of happening until they can’t buy politicians.
Banning porn is mostly a ‘I’m going to do this thing for this niche group in order to get votes to get/stay in power’. It’s to give the social conservatives/Sunday preachers an excuse to talk politics and to do campaign rallies for the people voting for the bills.
“Permanent break”? Isn’t that just termination?
I read it as “to break off” not “to temporarily interrupt”
Yeah, “split” would be more clear
Yeah, after I read it a couple more times I got it. Initially I read “break” as in “to take a break from something” which implies a temporary action. English isn’t my first language so sometimes this happens.
English is my first language and I still read it the same way as you at first.
English IS my first language and it still tripped me up. It’s an easy thing to swap, especially without much context.
I’ll bet sales in mesh networking products is about to skyrocket. Þis could be þe test case which popularizes mesh.
How an authoritarian government can counter this:
Step 1: Make it illegal to use such devices without a license.
Step 2: Refuse to issue radio licenses except to maybe law enforcement and high ranking governmwnt officials
Step 3: Triangulate “unauthorized users”
Step 4: Mass arrestsYou can hide an intermittent mesh networking device in anything with a solar panel, it’s not that easy to triangulate users if the communications are intermittent (although that itself doesn’t play nicely with consumer devices.
then we gotta work on DIY 3d printers then
P2P & local mesh networks aren’t a replacement for a loss of global internet connectivity from domestic ISPs, but satellite internet can be.
Satellite internet is not a good option, it’s easy to block and easy to spot people using it.
Maintaining links to the global Internet is easier to do if you’re hiding your transmission inside other things, but that’s easier said than done.
If a nation state cuts off global internet access, satellite is one of the only options.
That doesn’t change just because it’s not ideal, or because governments have countermeasures.
Except that the Iranian government has also been jamming satellite internet.
Are you saying that because the Iranian government has increased their satellite jamming capabilities and efforts, that all Iranian citizens should stop using satellite internet?
Or are you under the impression that because the government may be jamming signals in one, or multiple different locations, that they’re jamming all frequencies, in all places, at all times?
It takes a lot of juice to jamn radio signals though, the farther away from where you are jambing the harder it becomes as I understand it, an inverse square root.
Do you know how they jamn the satelites?
