I don’t know the route to progressive politics in Canada. I used to think that if the conservatives won, people would see how bad it got would help turn the tide left. But that’s not working, the US is a perfect example of that. If you vote neoliberal they pass shitty policies that make people’s lives worse and the people then vote for right wing neofacists. If you vote neofacists you get what you asked for.
I’m politically exhausted, but I know that delaying or ideally preventing neofascist is important to me, even if the only means to do that right now (support neoliberals) is a path to eventual neofacist victory as well.
I now have several queer and trans friends that have moved to Canada because of neofascism in the US making it unsafe for them. Some are even seeking asylum in Canada now. I don’t want Canada to become unfriendly to them. Undermining the Liberals in a way that bolsters the Conservatives will do exactly that.
How do I get the NDP to win or become significant enough to affect the outcome of Canadian politics and move us left? I don’t know but it’s not by giving credence to claims that the Liberals are Nazis. Doing that is just paving the way for PP and neofascism. Doing that will directly harm my queer friends and every other minority group in Canada.
Yeah, if you’re still supporting centrism as an answer to increasing fascism, you’re still not understanding what’s going on and won’t see a clear solution. And your friends obviously haven’t been paying attention to the news in Canada for the past 10 years.
If you really want to understand it, just read Marx.
I think there was nuance in my comment you missed, and that your views are unsophisticated and naive. I’m willing to take any path that will lead away from neoliberalism if it actually has a hope of working in Canada. We won’t even vote NDP and you’re suggesting:
undermining the Liberals
letting the fascist elements from the conservative parties win so they destroy everything good and beautiful about Canada, and implement neofascism.
???
Democratic Communist society?
I think you’re missing the fact that we’ll be in prison or dead between step 2 and 3. Look what’s happening in the US, or in Germany with the original Nazis. Did that lead to successful communism in Germany? Or did fascism completely destroy the country and completely exterminate the progressive elements within it. Then the USSR took over half the country after it was ravaged by a brutal war to implement Actually Existing Socialism which is, in effect exchanging our capitalist ruler class who extracts our “surplus value” and alienates us from our labour and our consumption with a political ruler class who extracts our “surplus value” and alienates us from our labour and consumption.
No one has ever successfully discovered and implemented a path to Stateless Democratic Communism yet, and I doubt you have a path there that has a hope of winning or that is novel in any way.
What is the practical action you think we should take after the Liberals lose their power thanks to being undermined by the progressive left?
It’s not whether it becomes a setback for liberals, it’s how much it bolsters neofascist elements in the conservative party.
So we should protect liberal neofascists against conservative neofascists?
I don’t know the route to progressive politics in Canada. I used to think that if the conservatives won, people would see how bad it got would help turn the tide left. But that’s not working, the US is a perfect example of that. If you vote neoliberal they pass shitty policies that make people’s lives worse and the people then vote for right wing neofacists. If you vote neofacists you get what you asked for.
I’m politically exhausted, but I know that delaying or ideally preventing neofascist is important to me, even if the only means to do that right now (support neoliberals) is a path to eventual neofacist victory as well.
I now have several queer and trans friends that have moved to Canada because of neofascism in the US making it unsafe for them. Some are even seeking asylum in Canada now. I don’t want Canada to become unfriendly to them. Undermining the Liberals in a way that bolsters the Conservatives will do exactly that.
How do I get the NDP to win or become significant enough to affect the outcome of Canadian politics and move us left? I don’t know but it’s not by giving credence to claims that the Liberals are Nazis. Doing that is just paving the way for PP and neofascism. Doing that will directly harm my queer friends and every other minority group in Canada.
Yeah, if you’re still supporting centrism as an answer to increasing fascism, you’re still not understanding what’s going on and won’t see a clear solution. And your friends obviously haven’t been paying attention to the news in Canada for the past 10 years.
If you really want to understand it, just read Marx.
I think there was nuance in my comment you missed, and that your views are unsophisticated and naive. I’m willing to take any path that will lead away from neoliberalism if it actually has a hope of working in Canada. We won’t even vote NDP and you’re suggesting:
I think you’re missing the fact that we’ll be in prison or dead between step 2 and 3. Look what’s happening in the US, or in Germany with the original Nazis. Did that lead to successful communism in Germany? Or did fascism completely destroy the country and completely exterminate the progressive elements within it. Then the USSR took over half the country after it was ravaged by a brutal war to implement Actually Existing Socialism which is, in effect exchanging our capitalist ruler class who extracts our “surplus value” and alienates us from our labour and our consumption with a political ruler class who extracts our “surplus value” and alienates us from our labour and consumption.
No one has ever successfully discovered and implemented a path to Stateless Democratic Communism yet, and I doubt you have a path there that has a hope of winning or that is novel in any way.
What is the practical action you think we should take after the Liberals lose their power thanks to being undermined by the progressive left?