• MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    I see this as no different than the bastard lobbing a frag grenade at the neighbors and then hiding behind these kids as human shields.

    The Mad Child-Raping Wannabe King is killing people’s children again, and he doesn’t care whose. Never has.

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      2 days ago

      These kids? My friend, the faces you see are the type of people responsible for KILLING kids. These are all adults with full responsibility for their actions.

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        16 hours ago

        I get where you’re coming from, and I anticipated a response like this, but also there’s some realities I respectfully believe you’re at risk of over-generalizing.

        In the modern world armed forces are often positioned as a way out of poverty, or to a fulfilling career, because they’re one of the last jobs that will actually train you. (Especially if you can’t afford college.)

        I have my own opinion that swearing oaths to a state that can tell you “Go kill them or else” is a bad idea, but I can only control me.

        Regardless, a mixture of people join up: Many of which wanna just do their 4 years and leave. Most of which never see combat. Many of which do incredibly valuable work like weather monitoring! But also few really get a choice where they’re deployed.

        My point being: These are human beings killed. Those on the other sides are human beings killed. This is a net negative. For all we know, these U.S casualties were the base cooks. We don’t know if they ever aimed any weapon at another living soul. We don’t know who these people are.

        The kneejerk reaction is to say “They had it coming” because we don’t like what’s happening, but that thinking will swiftly rot our humanity.

        The puppetmasters that are pointing these human beings at each other for their own sick games are the ones that should be punished and destroyed. NONE of these people needed or deserved to die.

        War does not determine who is right — only who is left.

        –Bertrand Russell

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          14 hours ago

          I get what you are saying. But I’m just gonna quote my comment from elsewhere in this comment section. So I don’t have repeat myself.

          I’m all for redemption and rehabilitating. The “too young to know what they were involved in”. The “poverty draft” argument. Etc.

          But, all of that relies on those former military or former cops actually realizing what they were a part of and spend the rest of their life speaking out against it and actually working to a restorative justice.

          Unfortunately, when you die being a modern day Nazi, I’m not gonna waste my time thinking or caring about “if” any of those things could have happened. I’m just glad you’re dead and not hurting people anymore.

          There is no reason to speculate on what these people COULD have been later. Or assume that they were tricked.

          Everyone is a product of their material circumstances. Millions of Americans live under worse conditions than any of these Joes ever did. They also are able to make the decision to not join the military and support the illegal wars and genocide.

          I’ll save my care and my respect for someone like Aaron Bushnell. Not something I would want on anyone else. But, that is the the rational and reasonable response to a society that is as sick as ours has become. And I definitely still wouldn’t call him “a kid”. Calling these people “kids” is just trying to humanize them for the benefit of American empire.