Interesting to read these two topics back-to-back.
Do I believe China is engaging in a campaign of global intimidation? Heck, I’d be more surprised if they weren’t.
Do I believe they were using ChatGPT, product of an American company, as a “diary” to document the process? Absolutely not.
Do I believe China is engaging in a campaign of global intimidation? Heck, I’d be more surprised if they weren’t.
Why do you believe this?
Big empire does big empire things. They’re not as bad as the world police for most countries, mostly seeking economic dominance and lucrative trade relations. However, they are fundamentally motivated by imperialist interests and are much harsher in their sphere of influence.
Apologies in advance for the length of this.
To start, there is no modern Chinese “empire” in the way there is a U.S.-led Western empire.
The United States maintains hundreds of overseas military bases, a globe-spanning alliance architecture (NATO, bilateral defense treaties in East Asia, Five Eyes intelligence integration), permanent carrier strike group deployments, and an expansive sanctions regime. Since 1945 it has engaged in invasions, coups, proxy wars, destabilization campaigns, and support for armed non-state actors in dozens of countries, including in China during the civil war and later through toleration or political maneuvering around groups such as ETIM, which carried out violent attacks in Xinjiang and neighboring states. That is what empire looks like in material terms: global force projection combined with economic and financial enforcement mechanisms.
China does not possess that structure. It has one acknowledged overseas support base in Djibouti, no global military bloc, no equivalent to NATO, no record of regime-change wars abroad in the PRC era, and no network of foreign occupations. Those are not minor differences.
Framing China as “not as bad as the world police” implies rough comparability. That comparison does not hold up under scrutiny. The “world police” has:
– Invaded or bombed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia and others.(Been at war for all but roughly 15 years of its existence)
– Sponsored coups and destabilization efforts across Latin America, Africa, and Asia.(Pinochet, Banana republic, assassination of Sankara and Lumumba)
– Imposed sanctions regimes that function as collective punishment.
– Used IMF and World Bank leverage to enforce structural adjustment: privatization, subsidy removal, austerity, capital liberalization.
By contrast, China’s external engagement since reform and opening has centered on trade, infrastructure financing, and industrial development partnerships. Through the Belt and Road Initiative, it has financed ports, rail, energy grids, and industrial corridors across the Global South. Loans have frequently been renegotiated, extended, or partially forgiven. There is no systematic Chinese analogue to IMF-style conditionality requiring privatization or austerity as a precondition for assistance.
On the claim that China is “harsher in its sphere of influence”: China has not fought a major war in nearly fifty years. The 1979 conflict with Vietnam lasted roughly one month and is widely regarded ( including within China ) as costly and strategically flawed. Since then, border disputes (including with India) have involved standoffs and limited clashes, not prolonged invasions or occupations. Border tensions are common globally; they are not equivalent to imperial expansion.
It is also necessary to define imperialism clearly. In the classical sense that has any actual use, imperialism is not simply “a powerful country acting assertively.” It is a specific stage of capitalism characterized by the dominance of finance capital, export of capital for superprofits, division of the world among monopolies, and enforcement of unequal exchange backed by military power.
The Chinese system is a socialist market economy: a mixed structure where strategic sectors (finance, energy, infrastructure, land, and slightly over 70% of the largest companies) remain publicly owned and capital is subordinated to long-term national development planning. One can debate how early into the socialist transition army period it is, but it is fundamentally not organized around the same model of private finance capital dominating the state and projecting power abroad to secure superprofits. There is no evidence of systematic coercive debt seizures, gunboat enforcement of contracts, or military intervention to secure overseas capital flows.
Every state pursues national development, energy security, technological advancement, and geopolitical stability favorable to its interests. The relevant question is how those interests are pursued. The empirical record shows that China’s rise has primarily taken the form of trade integration and infrastructure investment, not regime-change wars or structural adjustment regimes imposed at gunpoint.
At present, there is one consolidated imperial bloc with global military reach, integrated finance capital, and sanction power across continents: the U.S.-led Euro-American alliance system. Other powers may have regional ambitions or security concerns, but they do not currently possess the structural capacity to organize and police the world economy in that way.(Russia is a big one as a relatively new capitalist power).
The assumption that any rising power must replicate the existing hegemon is an assumption. It is not evidence. If someone wants to argue that China is imperialist in the classical sense, the burden is to demonstrate the mechanisms, enforced unequal exchange, capital export backed by military coercion, territorial division through force.
You seem nominally leftist, you would probably benefit from deconstructing your foundation of “common sense” when it comes to political economy especially if you live in the imperial core. Ask why you believe things and trace it all back. I’m sure some will still make sense but a lot will be from immersion and osmosis of imperial narratives from constant propaganda bombardment.
Edit: As I was typing this the US empire launched a preemptive strike on Iran hitting a girls elementary school killing over 40 students alongside strikes on downtown Tehran. Death to America.
Among other things, I’d believe it because Wakmrow admitted to its existence, and then proceeded to tell me that its targets deserved it. Disturbing stuff from Lemmy, honestly.
That’s a Wikipedia article that cites Radio Free Asia, The US Government and western funded think tanks. I would call that about as trustworthy as you would call DPRK state media. Also I didn’t ask you.
Are you people the must gullible people to exist? Open AI put this “report” out. Hmm, do you think there’s any motivation for them to show how useful their chatbot is? Especially regarding “national security”? Followed up by, no joke, a radio free asia source, known CIA mouthpiece. Reported on breathlessly by cnn.
Like. This is the most obvious fiction.
It sounds like you’re demanding a level of proof that’s basically impossible to provide to you.
What do you think is more likely?
- This is a high level conspiracy between multiple parties to make one Chinese official look dumb, or
- ChatGPT attracts dumb people, who exist worldwide
- OpenAI has identified that ChatGPT has being used from networks associated with CCP headquarters, and fabricates a plausible story for the press to show how useful their data can be for US military intelligence.
The timing of this news story is too good to not be an attempt to get hold one of those Pentagon contracts Anthropic has been offered (and might lose), with all means necessary.
Regardless of the actual truth, I am just curious about the overall optics of this. Why would OpenAI (implicitly) admit that they are spying on their users, and show that they are willing to share it with the press?
Most arguments for surveillance (and all authoritarianism) boil down to either saving the children or fighting an eternal enemy. Obviously OpenAI does surveil all its users, but the “for the children” argument would hurt their user numbers (I wanted to say it would hurt their profits, but they don’t profit off of any user). Thus, it’s “but China” instead.
regardless of truth, OpenAI spends a lot of effort in data mining on its users, and is eager to amplify warmongering narratives that US establishment is committed to.
Holy strawman.
This is a high level conspiracy between multiple parties to make one Chinese official look dumb,
No it’s a standard propoganda run, run through the most standard propaganda mouthpiece (RFA) to spread propaganda about China? Are you being dense on purpose?
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Tankie is when you’re Chinese apparently.
It’s just not believable that they’d be using chatgpt in government over the Chinese alternatives. I very much believe their probably are people using/abusing chatbots for dumb stuff. But this specific story given the details and time it’s “come to light” is just so obviously fabrication for altman to show what a good boy he is and pushing his bot for American defence contracts.
Your original comment was a clear badfaith strawman.
Tankie is when you’re Chinese apparently.
No, it’s when you post pro Stalin stuff on c/communism. Please don’t engage in bad faith arguments like this.
It’s just not believable… so obviously fabrication for altman to show what a good boy he is
Okay, so you do believe it’s a conspiracy between multiple parties to manufacture a lie to get onto CNN. That’s just your position. No strawman needed.
I agree that Sam Altman is probably trying to deflect from all the (well-deserved) bad press he’s getting right now… but if he was going to make up a story, it should have been closer to when he got caught helping teens kill themselves.
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I don’t root for any team, and I have no idea how you managed to assume that if you read what I said.

You are continuing to just engage in bad faith. All the best.
Edit: nice edit over an hour later btw lmao. You really dug far into my profile lol.
No, I’m perfectly willing to accept information when the evidence provided suggests the conclusion.
But examining the conclusion and insinuations and then examining the claims and the sources with the knowledge of US actions and motivations, this is just garden variety lazy lies.
There isn’t any evidence that a Chinese official actually did this just claims from a chatgpt investigation.
I’m perfectly willing to accept information when the evidence provided suggests the conclusion.
The evidence provided does suggest the conclusion. You just apparently distrust the source along nationalist lines. Predictable but unfortunate.
The Pentagon is in a standoff with another prominent AI company, Anthropic, over the use of its AI model. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has given Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei a Friday deadline to comply with demands to peel back safeguards on its AI model or risk losing a lucrative Pentagon contract
Do you think that this paragraph from the article might be relevant to open AIs “report” (which is not released as part of this article)? Do you think there’s maybe a reason to be suspicious about their capability in reporting about “high level” Chinese administrators?
What evidence? It’s just a claim from a CEO with every incentive to lie.
The Chinese law enforcement official used ChatGPT like a diary to document the alleged covert campaign of suppression, OpenAI said.
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The report comes amid a battle between the US and China for supremacy over AI.
The Pentagon is in a standoff with another prominent AI company, Anthropic [a major OpenAI rival], over the use of its AI model. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has given Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei a Friday deadline to comply with demands to peel back safeguards on its AI model or risk losing a lucrative Pentagon contract.
Sam Altman is so fucking thirsty right now.
Open AI knows their models have no technical edge over Chinese ones, so their only recourse is to fight dirty. Own all the hardware so people can self host their competition. Make using their models a matter of patriotism against those evil commies, cornering the US market like the car companies (who can’t sell their crap internationally because they never innovated). Leverage as much venture capital as possible to capture the market before the hype dies.
Kind of crazy to think people are using ChatGPT for such covert things.
This official didn’t just expose state secrets. They were using ChatGPT in the dumbest way I can imagine:
ChatGPT served as a journal for the Chinese operative to keep track of the covert network, while much of the network’s content was generated by other tools and spread through social media accounts and websites.
A journal. A freaking journal.
From a chatbot that is known to change text on a whim.
Ironic as I put all of my deepest darkest secrets into deepseek
Everybody knows OpenAI is where you open up about stuff. That’s why they named it that, right?
Cant help but feel someone has a huge incentive to claim that their bot has chinese state secrets.
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