Some of them think that it would have eventually reached this point anyway, if not under this republican administration, then the next one. And there’s a good case for that.
Others think you can’t sign on to far worse atrocities that just happen to be perpetrated elsewhere in the world, no matter what, because you are then personally complicit. Also a valid viewpoint.
The performative cruelty that this administration is practicing is genuinely a new low, it’s true. But the burden of doing something about it was and is on people with institutional power, not random ordinary people. The democrats could easily have won the election and they chose not to, and after the trump team, they are the ones to blame next.
The people that voted for Trump are first to blame. People that didn’t vote are second. It’s that simple. There are reasons why a person may have decided not to vote, but none of them change that fact that not voting was effectively a vote for Trump. I view non voters a small step above Trump voters. They at least have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking skills as one another.
Do third party voters come in between those two options or after “didn’t vote”?
Seriously, it’s all true. It is the fault of Trump Voters, the DNC, 3rd party voters, and non-voters.
Hell, I’ll go one further and say those who do nothing but vote for the most progressive Dem in the primary and then vote for the Dem no matter who it is AND that is all they have ever done to address how terrible the Dem party is, also share in the blame.
Just so you know, you’re replying to .ml there. I mean, I agree, but reasoned discussion isn’t going to win out with the leftist leftists that ever lefted.
Yea, I saw that after processing the comment. Still, I want people that may be unaware and read the comment chain to understand the reality. Silence is complacency.
That’s totally fallacious. Not voting is not voting. The only way to arrive at that conclusion is that you think that one specific party is by default entitled to votes, no matter what they do, which is wrong. Politicians have to earn votes. They chose a platform which was not popular and so they lost. And they did that to protect specific interests.
I do get being upset at people who are nominally on your side but decided not to vote. It’s understandable. But in no way are they anywhere near as much to blame as the people who had a more than two billion dollar marketing budget for their political campaign and decided “fuck what the people want”.
With the way our first past the goalposts system works, it’s true. By not voting you’re saying that you’re fine with either outcome.
When one of those options has straight up told you they’ll be a dictator on day one and you’ll never vote again, as well as publishing their playbook on how they’re going to do it, choosing to not vote against them is saying you’re fine with it.
And it’s not like protest voting actually hurt the DNC. It just hurt every vulnerable person in the country.
No it’s fact. Not voting supports the less good candidate 100% of the time in FPtP.
And yes, non voters are more responsible for this than the DNC sending a shit message. If non voters and third party voted Kamala, we wouldn’t have a dictator in the White house right now. The DNC didn’t put him there, voters for Trump and non voters did.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
No, this is what the democratic party would still rather have than sending one less bomb to Israel.
So you got this AND bombs for Israel
Both are true, at the same time.
Sure, comrade.
The right: these extremists decide elections so we’ll make it our whole platform again
The left: these extremists decide elections so we’ll blame them again
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
They unironically believe this would have all played out identically under Kamala.
They are morons then
Nobody thinks that.
Some of them think that it would have eventually reached this point anyway, if not under this republican administration, then the next one. And there’s a good case for that.
Others think you can’t sign on to far worse atrocities that just happen to be perpetrated elsewhere in the world, no matter what, because you are then personally complicit. Also a valid viewpoint.
The performative cruelty that this administration is practicing is genuinely a new low, it’s true. But the burden of doing something about it was and is on people with institutional power, not random ordinary people. The democrats could easily have won the election and they chose not to, and after the trump team, they are the ones to blame next.
The people that voted for Trump are first to blame. People that didn’t vote are second. It’s that simple. There are reasons why a person may have decided not to vote, but none of them change that fact that not voting was effectively a vote for Trump. I view non voters a small step above Trump voters. They at least have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking skills as one another.
Do third party voters come in between those two options or after “didn’t vote”?
Seriously, it’s all true. It is the fault of Trump Voters, the DNC, 3rd party voters, and non-voters.
Hell, I’ll go one further and say those who do nothing but vote for the most progressive Dem in the primary and then vote for the Dem no matter who it is AND that is all they have ever done to address how terrible the Dem party is, also share in the blame.
Just so you know, you’re replying to .ml there. I mean, I agree, but reasoned discussion isn’t going to win out with the leftist leftists that ever lefted.
Yea, I saw that after processing the comment. Still, I want people that may be unaware and read the comment chain to understand the reality. Silence is complacency.
That’s totally fallacious. Not voting is not voting. The only way to arrive at that conclusion is that you think that one specific party is by default entitled to votes, no matter what they do, which is wrong. Politicians have to earn votes. They chose a platform which was not popular and so they lost. And they did that to protect specific interests.
I do get being upset at people who are nominally on your side but decided not to vote. It’s understandable. But in no way are they anywhere near as much to blame as the people who had a more than two billion dollar marketing budget for their political campaign and decided “fuck what the people want”.
With the way our first past the goalposts system works, it’s true. By not voting you’re saying that you’re fine with either outcome.
When one of those options has straight up told you they’ll be a dictator on day one and you’ll never vote again, as well as publishing their playbook on how they’re going to do it, choosing to not vote against them is saying you’re fine with it.
And it’s not like protest voting actually hurt the DNC. It just hurt every vulnerable person in the country.
No it’s fact. Not voting supports the less good candidate 100% of the time in FPtP.
And yes, non voters are more responsible for this than the DNC sending a shit message. If non voters and third party voted Kamala, we wouldn’t have a dictator in the White house right now. The DNC didn’t put him there, voters for Trump and non voters did.
My inbox says otherwise.
Obama deported people! Both sides same!
Both sides onviously aren’t the same, one is more evil than the other. But they are both evil.
Obama has the blood of tens of thousands of innocent civilians on his hands, shame on anyone helping him wash.
Exhibit A.
You don’t find fault with that, or place responsibility on them?
See above.
Did so, question remains.