thats a good idea. A progressive property tax. I sorta can’t believe it never occured to me and I never saw it mentioned previously. Would encourage affordable housing building I think to.
There’d likely be a lot of ways around it. Large plots would be broken up into smaller legal boundaries, parts would be owned by shell companies, parts would be loaned out and rented back at low rates, etc. etc. They’d find a way to take advantage of it to pay less than anyone else.
A straight-up land tax with no frills does the job. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
No, it wouldn’t. It would discourage development and would encourage people to let their properties languish to lower their assessed values.
The current system works because generally you do not pay more for more expensive property, you pay a flat rate based on the assessed value. And there are abatement for certain identity and income groups already that serve as a progressive measure. Low income and senior residents most typically get the biggest tax breaks already.
I don’t get any abatements or lower rates. I think the wealthy should pay a higher rate in some circumstances. If they aren’t paying federal taxes we should make them pay more for local taxes. Every time they are taxed they threaten to leave, or not invest, and it’s all bullshit.
If they do leave, that’s the best case scenario, nothing good comes from billionaires. Nothing good comes from half billionaires either, 100 millionaires, they are all a drain on society. Both in making their money, and in not paying taxes and contributing to the society they live in, then in perverting our governments, and actually getting tax dollars. We end up paying them, in tax breaks for their business, to say nothing of the bail outs both the last times we had a recession.
this is the argument about all taxes. rich people will leave. corporations will leave or people won’t invest. companies won’t look to make money because they more they make the greater the rate of tax even though they will still get return. people won’t want to get paid more becuase that more is taxed higher. you already pay more for more expesive property this would just slowly graduate the rate as it goes up just like income taxes.
properties languish to lower their assessed values.
you do not pay more for more expensive property, you pay a flat rate based on the assessed value
How is that possible to be one way but not the other? Assessed properties have to do with the value of the property. It’s not 1:1 but it is definitely correlated.
because people are not rational. they are emotional.
and they are VERY emotional about taxes to the point they do stupid crap. a lot of people are very fearful of taxes to the point they make really crazy choices based on that fear.
my own sister is going to move to some rural shitty state, because she is so afraid of paying taxes once she retires. especially property taxes. and when i point out the irony of that when she gets sick there will be zero medical services… she tells me to go fuck myself. she has this delusional belief that if she lives in a cabin in bumfuck nowhere then her life will be amazing because she won’t be paying taxes as much.
I don’t like people like your sister. She benefited for her entire lives by people of all ages paying taxes for social local services she consumed growing up, going to public school, driving on maintained city roads, being protected by fire/police services, and using local libraries. The moment its her turn to pay for the younger generation then suddenly that spending she considers wasteful and ducks out of that society.
You correctly pointed out many of the difficulties about old age in rural environments. I hope she doesn’t die because she has a health event, and the closest hospital is an hour away in the closest big city, and the ambulance service may take an additional 45 minutes to arrive.
I don’t like her either, she is classic greedy rich person. She thinks all of those things are evil that she is forced to pay for by lazy poor people. She is not very grounded or educated, she went to business school and worked for a corporation her entire life and basically thinks anyone who isn’t rich like her is a pathetic loser.
But I’m sure she will move to this rural place, and vote to defund the schools and hospitals because it’s for poor people and her kids weren’t raised there so why should she pay any taxes for other people’s kids? She already ‘paid her dues’ by raising her kids in a city with high taxes.
Your argument is based on the likely false premise that she can pay and is choosing not to, that she will always have money to pay. It’s the attitude of society to the poor in this country. It’s not that they don’t have the money, they are choosing not to pay. It’s not all that true.
Nevermind they lose the property if they can’t pay property tax, that costs are going up, and fixed incomes are not. Real inflation is higher than stated inflation increases are based on, thanks to a half century of cpi changes to understate it, 5-8% to 2-3%. They might need a car in the country, with it’s many costs, you certainly need one for dignity in almost all of the country. Food, bills. Medicine, co-pays for medical. All of those go up more than her pay, but you “don’t like” people like her because she’s loath to live in an area that has a tax that will seize her property if she can’t pay it, leaving her to die penniless on the street.
Society having nothing but contempt for her, and everyone victim blaming, courtesy of fox news and their war on poverty.
Yes, she very much believes she is poor and can’t afford to pay taxes. She is poor just like Jeff Bezos is. Bezos also believes taxes are unfair and cruel and he can’t afford them.
If you don’t have money to pay property taxes they seize your property and auction it off. All while costs are skyrocketing, and people on fixed incomes aren’t getting more money. To dismiss your sister’s fear is wrongheaded, she’s right on this unless she has a lot saved up, social security is worth less in real value every year, as real inflation averaged 5-8%/year under the old, and more honest, standard, just by 2008 for the 50 years prior, and stated inflation in the cpi that it’s all based on had it’s formula changed several times to keep it around 2-3%. The difference is 1,300 dollars a month social security recipients are now denied from those changes to the cpi, on average.
So costs can go up so they can’t afford to eat and pay bills and keep a car, and pay property taxes. Plus the county/township can come in and change the valuation of the property, raise the millages, etc.
Losing your property as a retiree is catastrophic, I would say you are way off base scorning your sister’s very real concerns here.
Yeah, none of that is true. My sister is objectively an idiot, she has millions of dollars and her fear is founded by ‘taxes are theft’ beliefs. Her SS benefit will be like 5-6 grand a month no top of all her already crazy money. she is a millionaire.
I worked in tax policy. It takes years of willful neglect to get your property seized. Like 10 years of not paying your taxes, and even then most municipalities have programs to make payments on tax debts.
It takes 3 years here to get your property seized and auctioned.
And not making enough money might seem like “willful neglect” to you, reared on fox news campaigns blaming the poor for getting cheated by society out of a dignified life, one they had before the 80s.
But the jokes on you, and all of us, because they are coming for all of our money, you just didn’t see through or care when they manipulated you into supporting it.
Even as they cheat you every day in the understated inflation, unless you have investment income. It’s your own fault I’m sure. Stupid others, not having enough money, it’s clearly a choice and a personal failing they are getting cheated by a society seized by big business and run by nihilistic lawyers working for billionaires.
Scale the property tax exponentially based on the valuation of the property. Make sure the wealthy land owners pay more. Much, much more.
thats a good idea. A progressive property tax. I sorta can’t believe it never occured to me and I never saw it mentioned previously. Would encourage affordable housing building I think to.
There’d likely be a lot of ways around it. Large plots would be broken up into smaller legal boundaries, parts would be owned by shell companies, parts would be loaned out and rented back at low rates, etc. etc. They’d find a way to take advantage of it to pay less than anyone else.
A straight-up land tax with no frills does the job. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
No, it wouldn’t. It would discourage development and would encourage people to let their properties languish to lower their assessed values.
The current system works because generally you do not pay more for more expensive property, you pay a flat rate based on the assessed value. And there are abatement for certain identity and income groups already that serve as a progressive measure. Low income and senior residents most typically get the biggest tax breaks already.
It does?
for the vast majority of people and situations, yes.
Well I’m convinced.
I don’t get any abatements or lower rates. I think the wealthy should pay a higher rate in some circumstances. If they aren’t paying federal taxes we should make them pay more for local taxes. Every time they are taxed they threaten to leave, or not invest, and it’s all bullshit.
If they do leave, that’s the best case scenario, nothing good comes from billionaires. Nothing good comes from half billionaires either, 100 millionaires, they are all a drain on society. Both in making their money, and in not paying taxes and contributing to the society they live in, then in perverting our governments, and actually getting tax dollars. We end up paying them, in tax breaks for their business, to say nothing of the bail outs both the last times we had a recession.
this is the argument about all taxes. rich people will leave. corporations will leave or people won’t invest. companies won’t look to make money because they more they make the greater the rate of tax even though they will still get return. people won’t want to get paid more becuase that more is taxed higher. you already pay more for more expesive property this would just slowly graduate the rate as it goes up just like income taxes.
How is that possible to be one way but not the other? Assessed properties have to do with the value of the property. It’s not 1:1 but it is definitely correlated.
because people are not rational. they are emotional.
and they are VERY emotional about taxes to the point they do stupid crap. a lot of people are very fearful of taxes to the point they make really crazy choices based on that fear.
my own sister is going to move to some rural shitty state, because she is so afraid of paying taxes once she retires. especially property taxes. and when i point out the irony of that when she gets sick there will be zero medical services… she tells me to go fuck myself. she has this delusional belief that if she lives in a cabin in bumfuck nowhere then her life will be amazing because she won’t be paying taxes as much.
But Texas often has higher property tax because they have relatively low sales tax and no state income tax.
Yeah that’s what happens in every state with low sales or no income taxes. That or they have usage fees.
I don’t like people like your sister. She benefited for her entire lives by people of all ages paying taxes for social local services she consumed growing up, going to public school, driving on maintained city roads, being protected by fire/police services, and using local libraries. The moment its her turn to pay for the younger generation then suddenly that spending she considers wasteful and ducks out of that society.
You correctly pointed out many of the difficulties about old age in rural environments. I hope she doesn’t die because she has a health event, and the closest hospital is an hour away in the closest big city, and the ambulance service may take an additional 45 minutes to arrive.
I don’t like her either, she is classic greedy rich person. She thinks all of those things are evil that she is forced to pay for by lazy poor people. She is not very grounded or educated, she went to business school and worked for a corporation her entire life and basically thinks anyone who isn’t rich like her is a pathetic loser.
But I’m sure she will move to this rural place, and vote to defund the schools and hospitals because it’s for poor people and her kids weren’t raised there so why should she pay any taxes for other people’s kids? She already ‘paid her dues’ by raising her kids in a city with high taxes.
Your argument is based on the likely false premise that she can pay and is choosing not to, that she will always have money to pay. It’s the attitude of society to the poor in this country. It’s not that they don’t have the money, they are choosing not to pay. It’s not all that true.
Nevermind they lose the property if they can’t pay property tax, that costs are going up, and fixed incomes are not. Real inflation is higher than stated inflation increases are based on, thanks to a half century of cpi changes to understate it, 5-8% to 2-3%. They might need a car in the country, with it’s many costs, you certainly need one for dignity in almost all of the country. Food, bills. Medicine, co-pays for medical. All of those go up more than her pay, but you “don’t like” people like her because she’s loath to live in an area that has a tax that will seize her property if she can’t pay it, leaving her to die penniless on the street.
Society having nothing but contempt for her, and everyone victim blaming, courtesy of fox news and their war on poverty.
Your attitude is wrong-headed here.
My sister has about 50 million dollars.
Yes, she very much believes she is poor and can’t afford to pay taxes. She is poor just like Jeff Bezos is. Bezos also believes taxes are unfair and cruel and he can’t afford them.
If you don’t have money to pay property taxes they seize your property and auction it off. All while costs are skyrocketing, and people on fixed incomes aren’t getting more money. To dismiss your sister’s fear is wrongheaded, she’s right on this unless she has a lot saved up, social security is worth less in real value every year, as real inflation averaged 5-8%/year under the old, and more honest, standard, just by 2008 for the 50 years prior, and stated inflation in the cpi that it’s all based on had it’s formula changed several times to keep it around 2-3%. The difference is 1,300 dollars a month social security recipients are now denied from those changes to the cpi, on average.
So costs can go up so they can’t afford to eat and pay bills and keep a car, and pay property taxes. Plus the county/township can come in and change the valuation of the property, raise the millages, etc.
Losing your property as a retiree is catastrophic, I would say you are way off base scorning your sister’s very real concerns here.
Yeah, none of that is true. My sister is objectively an idiot, she has millions of dollars and her fear is founded by ‘taxes are theft’ beliefs. Her SS benefit will be like 5-6 grand a month no top of all her already crazy money. she is a millionaire.
I worked in tax policy. It takes years of willful neglect to get your property seized. Like 10 years of not paying your taxes, and even then most municipalities have programs to make payments on tax debts.
It takes 3 years here to get your property seized and auctioned.
And not making enough money might seem like “willful neglect” to you, reared on fox news campaigns blaming the poor for getting cheated by society out of a dignified life, one they had before the 80s.
But the jokes on you, and all of us, because they are coming for all of our money, you just didn’t see through or care when they manipulated you into supporting it.
Even as they cheat you every day in the understated inflation, unless you have investment income. It’s your own fault I’m sure. Stupid others, not having enough money, it’s clearly a choice and a personal failing they are getting cheated by a society seized by big business and run by nihilistic lawyers working for billionaires.
Dude, i worked professionally in tax policy for awhile w/ the people who write the laws and enforce them.
But please tell me how my talking points are from fox news… lol
Please forgive tubulartittyfrog, as you can plainly see, they are emotional and get angry when math doesn’t match their stupid crap feelings