• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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    4 days ago

    I do disagree with you a bit. MAID isn’t like a take-a-number system, I don’t think it would be aiding impulsive suicidal thoughts. There is a doctor involved who should be on the hook for how and why the call to permit MAID is handled. That’s not perfect though.

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      4 days ago

      aiding impulsive suicidal thoughts

      It would be aiding with suicidal thoughts, even if those thoughts are not necessarily impulsive

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        4 days ago

        That’s a good point, but I think it’s where I think you need someone with intimate knowledge of the situation to decide.

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            3 days ago

            Denying someone MAID is also deciding if the person should live or die. You just don’t like the “or die” part of that decision.

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              3 days ago

              You are correct. I don’t trust people to decide when other people should die.

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                3 days ago

                You are missing the point. You are doing that right now. You are deciding that they shouldn’t die now, but later. You are deciding when other people should die.

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                  By that logic I am deciding when an arbitrary number of people die by choosing not to kill them. I guess theres a sense in which thats technically correct, but it seems like its stretching the terminology a bit

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                    3 days ago

                    Not at all. The default stance would be “I do not care one way or the other if someone has access to MAID.”

                    By taking a stance against MAID, you are in fact deciding that they should not be able to die now. No one is asking you to personally do the killing, but you take umbrage with the idea that it would be accessible to people, so you are therefore deciding that they should be die now, but later.

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                  4 days ago

                  My phrasing provides an accurate description of the situation. Perhaps you think it’s skimming over some nuance. But I’m phrasing it that way to draw attention to what kind of decision it is. I’m not sure if it’s a decision anyone should really be making outside of a wartime triage situation.

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                    3 days ago

                    I never said it was a decision for just anyone or an easy one. I said it’s a decision that requires context and nuance.

                    It’s like deciding who gets donated organs, when does a doctor declare brain death, when do you shut off the machines or give a large morphine dose, etc.

                    They’re hard decisions. They need to be made with care.

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                    except it doesn’t just because maid has been authorized it automatically happens. that decision is as it has always been placed with the one asking for it.