Discord has announced that it's rolling out age verification checks globally from March – and the decision has sparked fury from many privacy-conscious users.
Okay. Cool that’s what I said too. Just… the way you said it sounded like you were advocating for using bad parenting as a pretext for massive breaches of privacy and identity security.
The way you said it sounded like you were advocating for parents to watch their kids every second of every day, and if they don’t then whatever happens is their fault.
If your child steals a car, are you allowed to say “I can’t watch my kids all time time” and get off consequence free?
Of course not. Do I think it is realistic for parents to keep an eye on their kid 100% of the time, of course not… But, I do expect that parents raise their kids in a progressively less restrictive manner and provide access to more autonomy as the child mautures? Absolutely, and I don’t think it is unreasonable to extend that progressive loosening of the parental leash in the real world to children on the internet. You shouldn’t have to watch your kids all the time on the internet, if they are old enough and mature enough to be on there unsupervised. If they aren’t ready for unsupervised access to the internet, then you shouldn’t allow it.
If your child steals a car, are you allowed to say “I can’t watch my kids all time time” and get off consequence free? Of course not. Do I think it is realistic for parents to keep an eye on their kid 100% of the time, of course not.
I don’t understand how you reconcile these 2 statements. They can’t watch their kids 100% but also if the kid does something illegal, it’s their responsibility? You can raise your kids to do whatever you want but they often do not listen.
If they aren’t ready for unsupervised access to the internet, then you shouldn’t allow it.
Good luck telling your kids they can’t get on the internet. Remember you can’t watch them all day.
Point is, if the parents are irresponsible, then who does it hurt? The parents? No. It hurts the children, and it hurts the rest of society.
Your same argument can be used to abolish any sort of legal protections for children like gambling, driving, smoking, drinking, tattoos, etc. Everything should be the parents’ responsibility, right?
I don’t understand how you reconcile these 2 statements. They can’t watch their kids 100% but also if the kid does something illegal, it’s their responsibility?
The reconsoliation is that as a parent, you are responsible/accountable for the actions of your child at all times, whether you are watching them or not. It’s part of being a parent. Raising your children not to be little sociopaths who can eventually be trusted as adults, is a major part of parenting.
Let me ask you: Should parents be responsible for damage done by their child?
I’m not really expecting yes/no to that answer, so feel free to elaborate on it
you are responsible/accountable for the actions of your child at all times, whether you are watching them or not. It’s part of being a parent.
Criminally liable? That’s insane.
Raising your children not to be little sociopaths who can eventually be trusted as adults, is a major part of parenting.
Parents have limited control of that. Children are not remote controlled robots, they’re their own people, and some of them are shit, no matter what you do.
Let me ask you: Should parents be responsible for damage done by their child?
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
So, if a teen takes their mom’s keys, and drives her car into your parked car, should you be on the hook for the damages to your vehicle? Should you be on the hook for the damages to her vehicle? Especially if it’s a first time offense?
That is what I said, yes.
Okay. Cool that’s what I said too. Just… the way you said it sounded like you were advocating for using bad parenting as a pretext for massive breaches of privacy and identity security.
The way you said it sounded like you were advocating for parents to watch their kids every second of every day, and if they don’t then whatever happens is their fault.
If your child steals a car, are you allowed to say “I can’t watch my kids all time time” and get off consequence free?
Of course not. Do I think it is realistic for parents to keep an eye on their kid 100% of the time, of course not… But, I do expect that parents raise their kids in a progressively less restrictive manner and provide access to more autonomy as the child mautures? Absolutely, and I don’t think it is unreasonable to extend that progressive loosening of the parental leash in the real world to children on the internet. You shouldn’t have to watch your kids all the time on the internet, if they are old enough and mature enough to be on there unsupervised. If they aren’t ready for unsupervised access to the internet, then you shouldn’t allow it.
I don’t understand how you reconcile these 2 statements. They can’t watch their kids 100% but also if the kid does something illegal, it’s their responsibility? You can raise your kids to do whatever you want but they often do not listen.
Good luck telling your kids they can’t get on the internet. Remember you can’t watch them all day.
Point is, if the parents are irresponsible, then who does it hurt? The parents? No. It hurts the children, and it hurts the rest of society.
Your same argument can be used to abolish any sort of legal protections for children like gambling, driving, smoking, drinking, tattoos, etc. Everything should be the parents’ responsibility, right?
The reconsoliation is that as a parent, you are responsible/accountable for the actions of your child at all times, whether you are watching them or not. It’s part of being a parent. Raising your children not to be little sociopaths who can eventually be trusted as adults, is a major part of parenting.
Let me ask you: Should parents be responsible for damage done by their child?
I’m not really expecting yes/no to that answer, so feel free to elaborate on it
Criminally liable? That’s insane.
Parents have limited control of that. Children are not remote controlled robots, they’re their own people, and some of them are shit, no matter what you do.
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
So, if a teen takes their mom’s keys, and drives her car into your parked car, should you be on the hook for the damages to your vehicle? Should you be on the hook for the damages to her vehicle? Especially if it’s a first time offense?
My answer to your question is on your comment.