Discord has announced that it's rolling out age verification checks globally from March – and the decision has sparked fury from many privacy-conscious users.
If your child steals a car, are you allowed to say “I can’t watch my kids all time time” and get off consequence free?
Of course not. Do I think it is realistic for parents to keep an eye on their kid 100% of the time, of course not… But, I do expect that parents raise their kids in a progressively less restrictive manner and provide access to more autonomy as the child mautures? Absolutely, and I don’t think it is unreasonable to extend that progressive loosening of the parental leash in the real world to children on the internet. You shouldn’t have to watch your kids all the time on the internet, if they are old enough and mature enough to be on there unsupervised. If they aren’t ready for unsupervised access to the internet, then you shouldn’t allow it.
If your child steals a car, are you allowed to say “I can’t watch my kids all time time” and get off consequence free? Of course not. Do I think it is realistic for parents to keep an eye on their kid 100% of the time, of course not.
I don’t understand how you reconcile these 2 statements. They can’t watch their kids 100% but also if the kid does something illegal, it’s their responsibility? You can raise your kids to do whatever you want but they often do not listen.
If they aren’t ready for unsupervised access to the internet, then you shouldn’t allow it.
Good luck telling your kids they can’t get on the internet. Remember you can’t watch them all day.
Point is, if the parents are irresponsible, then who does it hurt? The parents? No. It hurts the children, and it hurts the rest of society.
Your same argument can be used to abolish any sort of legal protections for children like gambling, driving, smoking, drinking, tattoos, etc. Everything should be the parents’ responsibility, right?
I don’t understand how you reconcile these 2 statements. They can’t watch their kids 100% but also if the kid does something illegal, it’s their responsibility?
The reconsoliation is that as a parent, you are responsible/accountable for the actions of your child at all times, whether you are watching them or not. It’s part of being a parent. Raising your children not to be little sociopaths who can eventually be trusted as adults, is a major part of parenting.
Let me ask you: Should parents be responsible for damage done by their child?
I’m not really expecting yes/no to that answer, so feel free to elaborate on it
you are responsible/accountable for the actions of your child at all times, whether you are watching them or not. It’s part of being a parent.
Criminally liable? That’s insane.
Raising your children not to be little sociopaths who can eventually be trusted as adults, is a major part of parenting.
Parents have limited control of that. Children are not remote controlled robots, they’re their own people, and some of them are shit, no matter what you do.
Let me ask you: Should parents be responsible for damage done by their child?
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
So, if a teen takes their mom’s keys, and drives her car into your parked car, should you be on the hook for the damages to your vehicle? Should you be on the hook for the damages to her vehicle? Especially if it’s a first time offense?
Gotcha. So if it is the first time, or maybe the second time, fuck you, pay for the damage someone else did to your car and their own car. Maybe on the 4th or 5th time, we can start getting the teen’s parents to pay for it?
Yep. Un-parented teen burns down your house, shit happens.
Another kid brings their dad’s gun to school and shoot your kid, shit happens.
Kid has to steal food in order to survive. Shit happens.
Clearly, the parents are completely beyond reproach.
Seriously, do you even think of the wider implications of a position that you are arguing, or do you just pick the dumbest fucking stance and stick with it all the way? Parents have been raising their kids for literally as long as there have been people on this earth. It’s practically globally agreed upon that the parents are responsible for raising and controlling their child, until the child has developed enough to make their own decisons, understand the risks, and accept the consequences for their actions.
And… To go further, your “world view” about “bad shit happens” can be extended to cover “My child saw porn, shit happens”, which would break down your argument that it is necessary for discord to collect and store PII from millions of people.
If your child steals a car, are you allowed to say “I can’t watch my kids all time time” and get off consequence free?
Of course not. Do I think it is realistic for parents to keep an eye on their kid 100% of the time, of course not… But, I do expect that parents raise their kids in a progressively less restrictive manner and provide access to more autonomy as the child mautures? Absolutely, and I don’t think it is unreasonable to extend that progressive loosening of the parental leash in the real world to children on the internet. You shouldn’t have to watch your kids all the time on the internet, if they are old enough and mature enough to be on there unsupervised. If they aren’t ready for unsupervised access to the internet, then you shouldn’t allow it.
I don’t understand how you reconcile these 2 statements. They can’t watch their kids 100% but also if the kid does something illegal, it’s their responsibility? You can raise your kids to do whatever you want but they often do not listen.
Good luck telling your kids they can’t get on the internet. Remember you can’t watch them all day.
Point is, if the parents are irresponsible, then who does it hurt? The parents? No. It hurts the children, and it hurts the rest of society.
Your same argument can be used to abolish any sort of legal protections for children like gambling, driving, smoking, drinking, tattoos, etc. Everything should be the parents’ responsibility, right?
The reconsoliation is that as a parent, you are responsible/accountable for the actions of your child at all times, whether you are watching them or not. It’s part of being a parent. Raising your children not to be little sociopaths who can eventually be trusted as adults, is a major part of parenting.
Let me ask you: Should parents be responsible for damage done by their child?
I’m not really expecting yes/no to that answer, so feel free to elaborate on it
Criminally liable? That’s insane.
Parents have limited control of that. Children are not remote controlled robots, they’re their own people, and some of them are shit, no matter what you do.
If you can demonstrate a pattern of bad parenting, sure.
So, if a teen takes their mom’s keys, and drives her car into your parked car, should you be on the hook for the damages to your vehicle? Should you be on the hook for the damages to her vehicle? Especially if it’s a first time offense?
My answer to your question is on your comment.
Gotcha. So if it is the first time, or maybe the second time, fuck you, pay for the damage someone else did to your car and their own car. Maybe on the 4th or 5th time, we can start getting the teen’s parents to pay for it?
Welcome to life bro. Shit happens.
Yep. Un-parented teen burns down your house, shit happens.
Another kid brings their dad’s gun to school and shoot your kid, shit happens.
Kid has to steal food in order to survive. Shit happens.
Clearly, the parents are completely beyond reproach.
Seriously, do you even think of the wider implications of a position that you are arguing, or do you just pick the dumbest fucking stance and stick with it all the way? Parents have been raising their kids for literally as long as there have been people on this earth. It’s practically globally agreed upon that the parents are responsible for raising and controlling their child, until the child has developed enough to make their own decisons, understand the risks, and accept the consequences for their actions.
And… To go further, your “world view” about “bad shit happens” can be extended to cover “My child saw porn, shit happens”, which would break down your argument that it is necessary for discord to collect and store PII from millions of people.