Okay, I’m sure I’ll get vote-bombed here, please don’t jump the gun, I’m pro lgbtq+. I don’t give a shit who or how someone loves, just hope they’re allowed to be happy with themselves (unless they’re hurting people, obviously).
I believe trans rights, and womens rights, are human rights. I don’t think anybody should be treated differently due to gender, sex, race, or orientation, and they shouldn’t be discriminated against in any way. I’m just trying to make sure I understand fully for when I defend the pro trans position that I believe to be correct.
I started looking further into this because a friend of mine, which is a total HP nerd, was trying to give me some context on where her anti-trans activism comes from. It SEEMS like she mostly wants to make sure women stay safe (paraphrasing her own words here). In Scotland apparently they’re changing things so that a dude can just say he’s not a dude, and be legally allowed in all women only spaces if they register with the government or whatever. I can absolutely see how that could be used in a predatory manor, and can see that side of the argument.
And it confused the issue a little for me. All of her arguments seem to be coming from a place of reason, and some of them made sense (if the referenced stats were true). Most of her arguments seem to come from a “I don’t want to make it easier for male predators to prey on women” standpoint, which makes sense at the surface level.
is the current climate making it fashionable to transition? I find it hard to believe someone would go that far without truly thinking it’s the right thing to do, but some people are highly influenced by peer pressure. I can also see maybe some women wanting to change to escape the misogyny of our current world. I’m a straight cis-male, and I can’t personally resonate with the idea of changing that because it’s “popular” or whatever, so I don’t put a lot of credence into that argument, but I’m not everyone 🤷.
I also understand that sex and gender are separate, and Rowling seems to be on the train that conflates it, which might be the basis for her position.
Please help me learn and understand. Someone with more context or knowledge, please let me know. I’d love the opinion of some trans folks if you see this. Rowling says she’s getting support from trans women for her positions. And I’m sure that’s true, there’s bound to be some, like there’s women who support patriarchy.
Edit, reordered my statements so my current position is clear at the start
As a cis man who is only tangentially acquainted with transgender issues, and as a person who isn’t particularly eloquent, I cannot do this topic justice myself. You’ll have to trust me when I say that the image of “just any bloke can call himself a woman and go into the bathroom and assault women” is language that is deeply colored by propaganda, and has no basis in reality. When you indulge in language and ideas like that, you are doing harm. Similarly, the “men doing women’s sports” idea is harmful to both cis and trans women, and has, again 0 basis in reality.
If you are truly interested, and not some right wing troll who’s “just asking questions” (we get a lot of those on .world, it’s like the instance attracts them), please, please give these YouTube videos a watch:
The shorter one is from a cis man, but it seems to me that he explains the idea very well, at least behind the sports thing. And I promise that the longer one is worth it. It will help you understand a deeply marginalized segment of the population much better, and you will be a better person for it. I think that’s worth 2 hours.
It boils down to this for me: If some bad actor is going to pretend to be trans to access some naked lady area, why are we trying to punish actual trans people for that by taking away their access to bathrooms and healthcare?
Thank you for this. I will absolutely go through both videos.
I appreciate the context you provided as well. In my mind it makes sense that someone willing to break the law to hurt people isn’t going to stop because the sign on the door says it’s not for them. That argument never felt particularly strong to me, and I’m glad that you’ve affirmed it basically doesn’t happen.
I’m no troll, and am truly trying to understand further.
Thanks again for your time, I hope to be able to watch those videos soon.
I don’t think you’re a bad person, i think you’re falling into the trap of trying to give bigots the benefit of the doubt.
Most bigoted opinions are manufactured by special interest groups, when you realize that you stop caring about what bigots think or empathizing with them.
JK Rowling argument put simply is that women need a safe space, that there are opportunistic men that will abuse workarounds that let them access this safe space, therefore there needs to be tighter regulations on who can enter the safe space.
Does she address that argument in some part of the video?
As far as I know, if you’re a dude, you can already just walk into womens bathrooms. There aren’t police outside or anything checking peoples pants. There’s not some epidemic of people legally transitioning just so they can be predators.
These laws end up hurting women, who were born women and were always women, who don’t happen to look “feminine” enough (ETA: or the opposite, cis men who don’t look manly enough), and people start harassing them for using the bathroom they were meant to use.
If you want to go after predators, go after predators. It’s not that hard. You don’t need to go after trans people to do that.
My comment to her is that we need to enforce anti-harassment laws in all spaces. I don’t care if you’re a man harassing a man, a man harassing a woman, a woman harassing a man, or a woman harassing a woman, the cops should come take you away and … educate you why we don’t do that shit in a civilised society. And you don’t need to make a person presenting as a woman use the men’s washroom, or a person presenting as a man use a woman’s washroom, to make that happen! In short, you don’t need to be a dick to people.
Fun fact. I saw a recent news article where a trans-man (i.e., born female, presents as male) went into the woman’s washroom because the only free stalls were urinals, which he couldn’t use. So he went to the woman’s washroom to use a stall there, and got harassed by the police because…well, he was a man in the women’s room. Except he wasn’t. He was born a she, and in North Carolina, you USED to be demanded to go to the washroom of your birth gender, and they’re trying to force that back in again, after it was partially repealed and allowed to expire back in 2020.
It’s not about protecting women. If it was, they’d just enforce the laws on the books about harassment, sexual or otherwise, and be blind to the genders of the perpetrator and victim. But we can obviously see that this is about legally harassing transgender people, and it just uses women’s rights as cover for the hatred. Your only answer as a transgender person to peeing is hold it…or pee yourself. Or move to a state, city, or country that doesn’t treat you like shit because you would prefer to be the other gender…or not be restricted to the binary structure in general!
Your middle paragraph makes so much sense in today’s world, it’s not about what they say it’s about, they just like to demonize people who aren’t hurting anyone
idk if reading a billionaire author’s own statement (managed by a billionaire’s pr-team) on the billionaire’s own site is “the most complete picture you can get”.
I’ve read the text as well, and that isn’t too crazy. But it’s honestly just dog-whistling, as you can see from her going utterly BATSHIT crazy on social media.
Edit not to mention highly illogical. She literally wants a law saying this guy must use the women’s bathroom:
And you don’t think he will get harassed when he goes into the ladies’ because he was born with a vagina?
Or that this person won’t get harassed when they have to go the men’s:
You can prolly see why TERF views aren’t actually feminist at all
I tend to show pictures like that to people complaining about trans people (Not like OP. They seemed genuine.) And they ALWAYS shut down. Because their entire view is crafted by transphobic youtubers and twitter nazis that use ridiculous cartoon images of trans people.
And when they see that most of the time you can’t see if a person is trans or not, their brain just has a seizure.
I totally get it, and I don’t have xitter or anything like that so don’t see the majority of the trash she’s reported to say and do, I just wanted to see what her “official” position was as a starting point to compare to what she’s actually doing and saying elsewhere.
I started looking further into this because a friend of mine, which is a total HP nerd, was trying to give me some context on where her anti-trans activism comes from.
You deliberately found someone with strong bias to get info from? Maybe you should think about that.
I also understand that sex and gender are separate, and Rowling seems to be on the train that conflates it, which might be the basis for her position.
I think you need to back up a little more on Rowling. If you start dissecting her works, you’ll see she has born/birth/blood nature being a reoccurring theme. Hagrid is naturally angry. Voldemort is evil because he was a rape baby. House Elves are natural slavesservants. The Weasley family will always be poor(even when Harry should be paying rent or at least buying them a new car). Hell, the Irish character keeps blowing things up. Things are the way they are at birth and anyone who pushes against the natural order is wrong. Hermione Granger, the other outside to magical society took issue with the House Elves being treated as slaves and everyone, including the House Elves and Harry Potter, the first outsider and someone who should have no bias for slavery, treated her as being annoying and wrong for caring.(Also remember when JK implied that Hermione could be Black? Yeah, this isn’t a good look.)
He’s super kind. A tad emotional at times, but not angry.
Also the Irish kid blowing up things is from the movies, not from the books.
anyone who pushes against the natural order is wrong
I mean I get where you’re coming from, I’ve always been bothered by the whole premise of “lol if the muggles knew we had magic they want us to help them so we can’t tell them” and just how unrealistic it would be to be able to keep such a thing a secret, especially when it’s canon and central to the story even that sometimes muggle families have a magical kid, and it can even be just one of siblings. Tweeners are so bad at keeping secrets. Imagine that you’re in a regular school and have regular friends until you’re 11 and then just vanish from their lives or somehow manage to still see them but… you won’t tell them you’re actually magic? Anything about what you’re studying, where your school is, etc etc? Right.
However we can’t deny that within that world the deatheaters are clearly even more racist and evil, and that the main characters fight against them.
Anyway Rowling is batshit nowadays I’m not defending her but I found your criticism factually inaccurate at those small parts so…
It is kinda silly how the wizarding society treats elves, but also it’s not as crazy diegetically, because the crazy author has written the story in the way that the house-elves actually do pretty much crave it. Which in itself is kinda… ew, but it’s not as offensive as it sounds, imo, as the starting concept, seeing as she was probably taking inspiration of mythical house elves, and those are sort of a more respectful concept, but clearly where JKR has drawn from.
The early house elves were by no means merely benevolent figures. The elf was believed to observe the life of the household very closely and judgementally. If the household members did not live in a well-behaved and diligent manner, the easily irritated elf could remind them of his existence, for example by causing a disturbance similar to haunting. At worst, the elf could leave the ill-mannered house altogether, taking happiness away from the house.
Christmas was an important celebration for house elves. On Christmas night, people would prepare a plate of porridge for the elf and put it where the elf was known to live, such as the sauna, barn, stable or attic. It was also customary to leave food for elves at the Christmas table for Christmas night.
No, Hagrid is a very angry person. He just angry on behalf of the MC most of the time, so we’re routing for him. I found it weird how quickly a grown adult was to attack a child despite not really knowing them or being a threat. If it were an illusion or temporary spell Hagrid used on Dudley, it would be a little different, but he needed an operation to get fixed.
Also the Irish kid blowing up things is from the movies, not from the books.
Still has her name on it. Also, that floor in the bank in the movie wasn’t a good look when you’re already under criticism for the goblins for being a Jewish metaphor.
“they wouldn’t know what to do with freedom”
That’s a line straight out of the anti-abolitionist in America and many, many other places that have slavery or caste systems. Harry Potter kept almost being interesting and I had assumed that the story line would go somewhere before dropping for other reasons. I was pretty surprised when Hermione’s SPEW just fizzled out. I really should have know with a name like that.
If the house elves worked like where she supposedly got inspiration form, they’d be far, far more interesting. Like I said, Harry Potter is one of those stories that kept almost being interesting.
Also to your first point, I needed to know what her current stance was and the rational being used to do what I could at comparing.
All the points about the series are interesting, and they all ring pretty true. As I recall Tolkien had similar racial vibes in his works. Nothing I realized until someone pointed them out.
TBH the whole house elves thing always made me uncomfortable.
The thing about the House Elves is, she introduced the concept in one book without thinking too much about. Fans then asked her for details and instead of taking the easy route and saying that Slavery is Bad, she doubled down and said that it was perfectly fine. She tends to have petty responses to criticisms and questions. In one book, she introduces Time Travel and fans asked why the following book didn’t have time travel, so in the next book, the fat kid knocked over the table that had all the time travel on it, so no one could use it again. She also wrote a whole book about an author who was being bullied on social media.
Tolkien used his fantasy races as metaphors for real life races/ethnic groups, but was fairly kind to them, considering his time. IIRC, Dwarves were repressive of Jews and while it doesn’t look good that the Dwarves greed for gold was their downfall, a deeper read, it was specifically a certain king that lead them to their downfall and not a trait of the race itself. I’m not a Tolkien head, so I might be getting some wires crossed.
People have decided she’s literally Hitler and so are you if you disagree with them. This isn’t a subject where discourse is allowed. The point is to make any dissent of any size unacceptable and to make sure no one is questioning anything, 100% unquestioning acceptance is the only option here, no questions allowed, accept it at face value. People can’t accept things they’re not allowed to think through and thinking issues around transness through means you’re a bigot, fully accept it or you’re a bigot… don’t bother talking to people about this here, there’s no point, shades of gray and nuisanced through is forbidden
I think perhaps people on the Internet get jaded towards questions and discourse because it’s often disingenuous or just trolling. Do they jump to a conclusion? Perhaps, but it also feels like you may have here.
My comment above is currently (and I expect forever) sitting in the negative, I think this is probably for the reason you stated. I’m going to leave it as is because it’s an honest starting point for me, and hopefully it’ll also help someone else come in, see a resonance with how they think, and also learn something. One commenter already provided videos for me to study and learn from, which I will do as soon as I can.
I’m hoping overall people understand that I’m coming from a place of honest curiosity and openness. I see all the bigotry around and it disgusts me. I just want to make sure I understand this topic as much as I can as a cis-male.
Okay, I’m sure I’ll get vote-bombed here, please don’t jump the gun, I’m pro lgbtq+. I don’t give a shit who or how someone loves, just hope they’re allowed to be happy with themselves (unless they’re hurting people, obviously).
I believe trans rights, and womens rights, are human rights. I don’t think anybody should be treated differently due to gender, sex, race, or orientation, and they shouldn’t be discriminated against in any way. I’m just trying to make sure I understand fully for when I defend the pro trans position that I believe to be correct.
I started looking further into this because a friend of mine, which is a total HP nerd, was trying to give me some context on where her anti-trans activism comes from. It SEEMS like she mostly wants to make sure women stay safe (paraphrasing her own words here). In Scotland apparently they’re changing things so that a dude can just say he’s not a dude, and be legally allowed in all women only spaces if they register with the government or whatever. I can absolutely see how that could be used in a predatory manor, and can see that side of the argument.
I just read her piece here: https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/ To make sure I’m getting as complete of a look at the situation as I can.
And it confused the issue a little for me. All of her arguments seem to be coming from a place of reason, and some of them made sense (if the referenced stats were true). Most of her arguments seem to come from a “I don’t want to make it easier for male predators to prey on women” standpoint, which makes sense at the surface level.
is the current climate making it fashionable to transition? I find it hard to believe someone would go that far without truly thinking it’s the right thing to do, but some people are highly influenced by peer pressure. I can also see maybe some women wanting to change to escape the misogyny of our current world. I’m a straight cis-male, and I can’t personally resonate with the idea of changing that because it’s “popular” or whatever, so I don’t put a lot of credence into that argument, but I’m not everyone 🤷.
I also understand that sex and gender are separate, and Rowling seems to be on the train that conflates it, which might be the basis for her position.
Please help me learn and understand. Someone with more context or knowledge, please let me know. I’d love the opinion of some trans folks if you see this. Rowling says she’s getting support from trans women for her positions. And I’m sure that’s true, there’s bound to be some, like there’s women who support patriarchy.
Edit, reordered my statements so my current position is clear at the start
As a cis man who is only tangentially acquainted with transgender issues, and as a person who isn’t particularly eloquent, I cannot do this topic justice myself. You’ll have to trust me when I say that the image of “just any bloke can call himself a woman and go into the bathroom and assault women” is language that is deeply colored by propaganda, and has no basis in reality. When you indulge in language and ideas like that, you are doing harm. Similarly, the “men doing women’s sports” idea is harmful to both cis and trans women, and has, again 0 basis in reality.
If you are truly interested, and not some right wing troll who’s “just asking questions” (we get a lot of those on .world, it’s like the instance attracts them), please, please give these YouTube videos a watch:
https://youtu.be/EmT0i0xG6zg https://youtu.be/qfUsuQ8rfu4
The shorter one is from a cis man, but it seems to me that he explains the idea very well, at least behind the sports thing. And I promise that the longer one is worth it. It will help you understand a deeply marginalized segment of the population much better, and you will be a better person for it. I think that’s worth 2 hours.
It boils down to this for me: If some bad actor is going to pretend to be trans to access some naked lady area, why are we trying to punish actual trans people for that by taking away their access to bathrooms and healthcare?
It’s just stupid.
Such a good point
Thank you for this. I will absolutely go through both videos.
I appreciate the context you provided as well. In my mind it makes sense that someone willing to break the law to hurt people isn’t going to stop because the sign on the door says it’s not for them. That argument never felt particularly strong to me, and I’m glad that you’ve affirmed it basically doesn’t happen.
I’m no troll, and am truly trying to understand further.
Thanks again for your time, I hope to be able to watch those videos soon.
I don’t think you’re a bad person, i think you’re falling into the trap of trying to give bigots the benefit of the doubt.
Most bigoted opinions are manufactured by special interest groups, when you realize that you stop caring about what bigots think or empathizing with them.
Thank you for your openness and candor. I hope you find what you’re looking for.
JK Rowling argument put simply is that women need a safe space, that there are opportunistic men that will abuse workarounds that let them access this safe space, therefore there needs to be tighter regulations on who can enter the safe space.
Does she address that argument in some part of the video?
Yes.
Sorry, at what time?
Why not just watch the video?
Its very long, and is mostly fluff.
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As far as I know, if you’re a dude, you can already just walk into womens bathrooms. There aren’t police outside or anything checking peoples pants. There’s not some epidemic of people legally transitioning just so they can be predators.
These laws end up hurting women, who were born women and were always women, who don’t happen to look “feminine” enough (ETA: or the opposite, cis men who don’t look manly enough), and people start harassing them for using the bathroom they were meant to use.
If you want to go after predators, go after predators. It’s not that hard. You don’t need to go after trans people to do that.
Yeah that one argument never felt particularly strong to me anyway, like men transitioning to win at sports or whatever.
i was going to say transphobia always relate to mysogyny and homophobia as well.
My comment to her is that we need to enforce anti-harassment laws in all spaces. I don’t care if you’re a man harassing a man, a man harassing a woman, a woman harassing a man, or a woman harassing a woman, the cops should come take you away and … educate you why we don’t do that shit in a civilised society. And you don’t need to make a person presenting as a woman use the men’s washroom, or a person presenting as a man use a woman’s washroom, to make that happen! In short, you don’t need to be a dick to people.
Fun fact. I saw a recent news article where a trans-man (i.e., born female, presents as male) went into the woman’s washroom because the only free stalls were urinals, which he couldn’t use. So he went to the woman’s washroom to use a stall there, and got harassed by the police because…well, he was a man in the women’s room. Except he wasn’t. He was born a she, and in North Carolina, you USED to be demanded to go to the washroom of your birth gender, and they’re trying to force that back in again, after it was partially repealed and allowed to expire back in 2020.
It’s not about protecting women. If it was, they’d just enforce the laws on the books about harassment, sexual or otherwise, and be blind to the genders of the perpetrator and victim. But we can obviously see that this is about legally harassing transgender people, and it just uses women’s rights as cover for the hatred. Your only answer as a transgender person to peeing is hold it…or pee yourself. Or move to a state, city, or country that doesn’t treat you like shit because you would prefer to be the other gender…or not be restricted to the binary structure in general!
These are excellent points, thank you.
Your middle paragraph makes so much sense in today’s world, it’s not about what they say it’s about, they just like to demonize people who aren’t hurting anyone
idk if reading a billionaire author’s own statement (managed by a billionaire’s pr-team) on the billionaire’s own site is “the most complete picture you can get”.
I’ve read the text as well, and that isn’t too crazy. But it’s honestly just dog-whistling, as you can see from her going utterly BATSHIT crazy on social media.
Edit not to mention highly illogical. She literally wants a law saying this guy must use the women’s bathroom:
And you don’t think he will get harassed when he goes into the ladies’ because he was born with a vagina?
Or that this person won’t get harassed when they have to go the men’s:
You can prolly see why TERF views aren’t actually feminist at all
I tend to show pictures like that to people complaining about trans people (Not like OP. They seemed genuine.) And they ALWAYS shut down. Because their entire view is crafted by transphobic youtubers and twitter nazis that use ridiculous cartoon images of trans people.
And when they see that most of the time you can’t see if a person is trans or not, their brain just has a seizure.
I wish I looked like the dude pictured 🤣 super jealous
I totally get it, and I don’t have xitter or anything like that so don’t see the majority of the trash she’s reported to say and do, I just wanted to see what her “official” position was as a starting point to compare to what she’s actually doing and saying elsewhere.
You deliberately found someone with strong bias to get info from? Maybe you should think about that.
I think you need to back up a little more on Rowling. If you start dissecting her works, you’ll see she has born/birth/blood nature being a reoccurring theme. Hagrid is naturally angry. Voldemort is evil because he was a rape baby. House Elves are natural
slavesservants. The Weasley family will always be poor(even when Harry should be paying rent or at least buying them a new car). Hell, the Irish character keeps blowing things up. Things are the way they are at birth and anyone who pushes against the natural order is wrong. Hermione Granger, the other outside to magical society took issue with the House Elves being treated as slaves and everyone, including the House Elves and Harry Potter, the first outsider and someone who should have no bias for slavery, treated her as being annoying and wrong for caring.(Also remember when JK implied that Hermione could be Black? Yeah, this isn’t a good look.)If you want a deep dive into Rowling’s writings that isn’t centered on the trans issue, check out Shaun’s review of her total body of work at the time.
How is Hagrid an angry person?
He’s super kind. A tad emotional at times, but not angry.
Also the Irish kid blowing up things is from the movies, not from the books.
I mean I get where you’re coming from, I’ve always been bothered by the whole premise of “lol if the muggles knew we had magic they want us to help them so we can’t tell them” and just how unrealistic it would be to be able to keep such a thing a secret, especially when it’s canon and central to the story even that sometimes muggle families have a magical kid, and it can even be just one of siblings. Tweeners are so bad at keeping secrets. Imagine that you’re in a regular school and have regular friends until you’re 11 and then just vanish from their lives or somehow manage to still see them but… you won’t tell them you’re actually magic? Anything about what you’re studying, where your school is, etc etc? Right.
However we can’t deny that within that world the deatheaters are clearly even more racist and evil, and that the main characters fight against them.
Anyway Rowling is batshit nowadays I’m not defending her but I found your criticism factually inaccurate at those small parts so…
It is kinda silly how the wizarding society treats elves, but also it’s not as crazy diegetically, because the crazy author has written the story in the way that the house-elves actually do pretty much crave it. Which in itself is kinda… ew, but it’s not as offensive as it sounds, imo, as the starting concept, seeing as she was probably taking inspiration of mythical house elves, and those are sort of a more respectful concept, but clearly where JKR has drawn from.
https://www.kansallismuseo.fi/en/items-of-the-month/2022/tontut
That’s Finnish folklore, not JKR’s writings. I’ve left out food for tonttus as a kid.
No, Hagrid is a very angry person. He just angry on behalf of the MC most of the time, so we’re routing for him. I found it weird how quickly a grown adult was to attack a child despite not really knowing them or being a threat. If it were an illusion or temporary spell Hagrid used on Dudley, it would be a little different, but he needed an operation to get fixed.
Still has her name on it. Also, that floor in the bank in the movie wasn’t a good look when you’re already under criticism for the goblins for being a Jewish metaphor.
That’s a line straight out of the anti-abolitionist in America and many, many other places that have slavery or caste systems. Harry Potter kept almost being interesting and I had assumed that the story line would go somewhere before dropping for other reasons. I was pretty surprised when Hermione’s SPEW just fizzled out. I really should have know with a name like that.
If the house elves worked like where she supposedly got inspiration form, they’d be far, far more interesting. Like I said, Harry Potter is one of those stories that kept almost being interesting.
Excellent response, thank you.
Also to your first point, I needed to know what her current stance was and the rational being used to do what I could at comparing.
All the points about the series are interesting, and they all ring pretty true. As I recall Tolkien had similar racial vibes in his works. Nothing I realized until someone pointed them out.
TBH the whole house elves thing always made me uncomfortable.
The thing about the House Elves is, she introduced the concept in one book without thinking too much about. Fans then asked her for details and instead of taking the easy route and saying that Slavery is Bad, she doubled down and said that it was perfectly fine. She tends to have petty responses to criticisms and questions. In one book, she introduces Time Travel and fans asked why the following book didn’t have time travel, so in the next book, the fat kid knocked over the table that had all the time travel on it, so no one could use it again. She also wrote a whole book about an author who was being bullied on social media.
Tolkien used his fantasy races as metaphors for real life races/ethnic groups, but was fairly kind to them, considering his time. IIRC, Dwarves were repressive of Jews and while it doesn’t look good that the Dwarves greed for gold was their downfall, a deeper read, it was specifically a certain king that lead them to their downfall and not a trait of the race itself. I’m not a Tolkien head, so I might be getting some wires crossed.
Yeah I’m not a huge Tolkien person either. Enjoyed the movies, struggled through the books.
People have decided she’s literally Hitler and so are you if you disagree with them. This isn’t a subject where discourse is allowed. The point is to make any dissent of any size unacceptable and to make sure no one is questioning anything, 100% unquestioning acceptance is the only option here, no questions allowed, accept it at face value. People can’t accept things they’re not allowed to think through and thinking issues around transness through means you’re a bigot, fully accept it or you’re a bigot… don’t bother talking to people about this here, there’s no point, shades of gray and nuisanced through is forbidden
You say this as if she doesn’t have a long and exceedingly public history of racism and transphobia.
I don’t think this is the right take.
I think perhaps people on the Internet get jaded towards questions and discourse because it’s often disingenuous or just trolling. Do they jump to a conclusion? Perhaps, but it also feels like you may have here.
My comment above is currently (and I expect forever) sitting in the negative, I think this is probably for the reason you stated. I’m going to leave it as is because it’s an honest starting point for me, and hopefully it’ll also help someone else come in, see a resonance with how they think, and also learn something. One commenter already provided videos for me to study and learn from, which I will do as soon as I can.
I’m hoping overall people understand that I’m coming from a place of honest curiosity and openness. I see all the bigotry around and it disgusts me. I just want to make sure I understand this topic as much as I can as a cis-male.