• nomad@infosec.pub
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      2 days ago

      Cops are a bad thing… In the US. Also not all cops, even in the US. ;)

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        2 days ago

        Over exaggerated counter example: I guess not all concentration camp guards were evil, wicked people, yet they still participated in a wicked, evil system that oppressed, incarcerated, enslaved and killed people.

        Which makes them evil, wicked people.

        You do not have to be a bad person or do evil yourself to be a bastard. Your support or even acceptance of a bad system is enough.

        Which means all cops are bastards through their participation.

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          2 days ago

          Unless the copies start shooting ICE when they attack citizens, I’ll maintain that ACAB.

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            1 hour ago

            Yes, even the guards who treat the prisoners well and really try to make life easier for them are still part of a machine that kills and help perpetuate the system.

            Doesn’t mean we don’t need those who try to change the system, but at some point you have to recognize that much of modern policing is undeniably broken and is basically unfixable from within and by reform alone.

            At some point you gotta tear it all down, get rid of the spoiled bunch and rebuild from the ground up using the good apples and putting in place better mechanisms to effectively weed out the bad ones.

            And my personal opinion is that this will never stop. Institutional power will try to isolate the institution from criticism and consequence, so from time to time these institutions have to be replaced. Human nature will always find the loopholes, the easy way, the trick to feel oneself powerful and superior. And so after some decades… everything will be borked again.

            This is imho sadly the reality of the statistics of jobs that come with power over others and the kind of people this power attracts more strongly than it does the people you’d actually want in such a job.

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              6 minutes ago

              … In the US. And yes, reform is required. Alot of bad cops need to go. More need extended retaining and some need promotion and more control. Police is traditionally to protect and serve, that should be reemphasized.

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        2 days ago

        And yet, their actions say otherwise.

        This is like saying there are “good” Trump supporters. There are people who don’t believe or realize they’re fascists, but that doesn’t excuse their fascism. The net result on society is negative, so they are all objectively “bad”.