The Yuzu team was profiting from game leaks and piracy, and that’s illegal. Their software was not illegal. Nintendo’s lawsuit was riddled with bullshit claims about circumventing encryption and other made-up offenses, and resulted in the 100% legal development of both Yuzu and Citra being forcefully terminated. The actually just solution would have been to forbid them from monetizing their projects by promising fixes for unreleased software.
Here’s a simple analogy: if you own a 3D printer and sell objects made with that printer, some of which are illegal for whatever reason (e.g. parts for making untraceable firearms), should a court forbid you from ever using a 3D printer ever again, even if it’s to make a kickstand for your tablet, or should it forbid you from making illegal parts only?
Yuzu devs are gone from the scene but the source code is out there. Turns out developing an emulator requires a team of full time employees that you need to fund through Patreon and that’s kinda far beyond a hobby project, no? You’re so anti Nintendo that you started cheering for another company that was outright infringing on their IP by using Nintendo trademarks in their own marketing materials.
Snes9x, no$gba, Higan and literally dozens if not hundreds of other emulators were developed as hobby projects, many of them by a single person in their spare time, so you, sir or madam, are completely full of it. Go fanboy somewhere else and let the grown-ups talk.
Development of a cutting edge emulator takes effort because you can’t brute force your way. It has to be efficient and also incredibly complex (all modern emulators are HAL or API reimplementations by necessity). Those emulators you reference didn’t require commercial amount of funding because they were created by the time emulated hardware was obsolete. It was a nice balance where Nintendo didn’t sue anyone. That is until Yuzu/Citra folks decided to enrich themselves in the process, bring Sauron Nintendo gaze and ruin things for everyone.
I’m fairly certain that Ryujinx is a hobby project as well, which would contradict your claim that developing emulators for later-gen systems requires funding. However, I may be mistaken.
Regardless of if I am right about Ryujinx, your claim that I am “cheering for another company” just because I called a spade a spade with regards to Nintendo’s legal trickery in the Yuzu case is still wrong. As I said, the Yuzu team was wrong to profit off of adding patches for leaked games. They deserved to get their Patreon shut down for that. However, the sentence forbade them from ever working on a Nintendo emulator again, which is excessive because developing an emulator is not and should not be illegal.
For another example that might clarify my position: I believe that Palworld is in many ways a blatant rip-off of Pokémon IP that obviously marketed itself on its similarities with Nintendo’s franchise. Nintendo was quite right to sue them. However, the lawsuit evoked patents whose very existence is the epitome of bullshit, such as using a drawn outline to represent the position of a player character or NPC who is totally or partially obscured behind an opaque object. This is an obvious solution, and one of the requirements for a patent is that it be non-obvious.
We live in a complex world. It is possible to be in the right and still be an unethical overreaching asshole about it.
Ryujinx got caught in a crossfire. I’m pretty sure Nintendo wouldn’t dare to harass them, similar to Dolphin, if it wasn’t for all the publicity Yuzu was bringing to Switch piracy. Nintendo shouldn’t have done that but here we are and it’s Yuzu that started this by breaking unwritten rules and playing dumb.
Yuzu was a commercial enterprise. The moment you start taking money for this kind of work it’s no longer a hobby project and should bear all of the legal consequences. Yuzu guys were smart, they played a scrappy underdog but if your whole business idea hinges on breaking multiple laws for the purpose of making money (and they made much more than covering current expenses) you’re asking for trouble. They also enjoy a bit of a revenge from the grave with all the people angry over their toys being taken away doing black PR for Nintendo. Everyone is free to do as they please but what I’m seeing is just a hissy fit so there isn’t that much nuance to this.
I explained the nuance, but if you want to ignore it, go ahead. As for the rest of your comment excluding the final part, we are in agreement and have been since the beginning.
You are completely wrong.
The Yuzu team was profiting from game leaks and piracy, and that’s illegal. Their software was not illegal. Nintendo’s lawsuit was riddled with bullshit claims about circumventing encryption and other made-up offenses, and resulted in the 100% legal development of both Yuzu and Citra being forcefully terminated. The actually just solution would have been to forbid them from monetizing their projects by promising fixes for unreleased software.
Here’s a simple analogy: if you own a 3D printer and sell objects made with that printer, some of which are illegal for whatever reason (e.g. parts for making untraceable firearms), should a court forbid you from ever using a 3D printer ever again, even if it’s to make a kickstand for your tablet, or should it forbid you from making illegal parts only?
Yuzu devs are gone from the scene but the source code is out there. Turns out developing an emulator requires a team of full time employees that you need to fund through Patreon and that’s kinda far beyond a hobby project, no? You’re so anti Nintendo that you started cheering for another company that was outright infringing on their IP by using Nintendo trademarks in their own marketing materials.
Snes9x, no$gba, Higan and literally dozens if not hundreds of other emulators were developed as hobby projects, many of them by a single person in their spare time, so you, sir or madam, are completely full of it. Go fanboy somewhere else and let the grown-ups talk.
I’m fairly certain you missed the point.
Development of a cutting edge emulator takes effort because you can’t brute force your way. It has to be efficient and also incredibly complex (all modern emulators are HAL or API reimplementations by necessity). Those emulators you reference didn’t require commercial amount of funding because they were created by the time emulated hardware was obsolete. It was a nice balance where Nintendo didn’t sue anyone. That is until Yuzu/Citra folks decided to enrich themselves in the process, bring
SauronNintendo gaze and ruin things for everyone.I’m fairly certain that Ryujinx is a hobby project as well, which would contradict your claim that developing emulators for later-gen systems requires funding. However, I may be mistaken.
Regardless of if I am right about Ryujinx, your claim that I am “cheering for another company” just because I called a spade a spade with regards to Nintendo’s legal trickery in the Yuzu case is still wrong. As I said, the Yuzu team was wrong to profit off of adding patches for leaked games. They deserved to get their Patreon shut down for that. However, the sentence forbade them from ever working on a Nintendo emulator again, which is excessive because developing an emulator is not and should not be illegal.
For another example that might clarify my position: I believe that Palworld is in many ways a blatant rip-off of Pokémon IP that obviously marketed itself on its similarities with Nintendo’s franchise. Nintendo was quite right to sue them. However, the lawsuit evoked patents whose very existence is the epitome of bullshit, such as using a drawn outline to represent the position of a player character or NPC who is totally or partially obscured behind an opaque object. This is an obvious solution, and one of the requirements for a patent is that it be non-obvious.
We live in a complex world. It is possible to be in the right and still be an unethical overreaching asshole about it.
Ryujinx got caught in a crossfire. I’m pretty sure Nintendo wouldn’t dare to harass them, similar to Dolphin, if it wasn’t for all the publicity Yuzu was bringing to Switch piracy. Nintendo shouldn’t have done that but here we are and it’s Yuzu that started this by breaking unwritten rules and playing dumb.
Yuzu was a commercial enterprise. The moment you start taking money for this kind of work it’s no longer a hobby project and should bear all of the legal consequences. Yuzu guys were smart, they played a scrappy underdog but if your whole business idea hinges on breaking multiple laws for the purpose of making money (and they made much more than covering current expenses) you’re asking for trouble. They also enjoy a bit of a revenge from the grave with all the people angry over their toys being taken away doing black PR for Nintendo. Everyone is free to do as they please but what I’m seeing is just a hissy fit so there isn’t that much nuance to this.
I explained the nuance, but if you want to ignore it, go ahead. As for the rest of your comment excluding the final part, we are in agreement and have been since the beginning.